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  •  You're right (2+ / 0-)
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    ProfessorWho, pademocrat

    Al Gore is a hero on climate change. My point is not to attack him or Nye.

    My point is that you can be right, and a hero, and still be a lousy debater. And time is short. We need to turn the tide on the misinformation campaign that is well-funded and carefully constructed.

    This means knowing your point and staying on it.

    •  Al Gore is not a lousy debater. (3+ / 0-)
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      Deep Texan, Clem Yeobright, murrayewv

      He gets frustrated at times that there are people intent on obfuscating the science on this immensely important issue. He sees the Earth in the balance, and yet people mock him. When you denigrate someone who is devoting his life to saving us from ruin, that does not reflect well on you. Get behind him, or ignore him if you must, but why go around knocking him? Don't you think the climate deniers do enough of that already?

      Don't tell me what you believe. And don't tell me what you do. I barely know you.

      by doc2 on Wed Aug 31, 2011 at 05:34:48 AM PDT

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      •  Because (1+ / 0-)
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        Russgirl

        he's the target or the right wing. When he does a poor job communicating on this issue, it hurts the movement.

        I respect Al Gore. But when he feeds them these lines about racism – lines that will be twisted and distorted – he loses and we lose.

        That's all.

        •  Is Gore saying we have to wait for a generation (2+ / 0-)
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          Mass Southpaw, murrayewv

          of climate change deniers to just die off?  By that time, it will for sure be too late.

          West. No further west. All sea. -- Robert Grenier

          by Nicolas Fouquet on Wed Aug 31, 2011 at 06:08:38 AM PDT

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          •  Absolutely (2+ / 0-)
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            Russgirl, Nicolas Fouquet

            I think the work now is to tell the story in such a clear way that climate deniers in Congress are discredited.

            I figure there are, what? Maybe five hundred people out of the 6.8 billion people on earth who are most responsible for the denial industry? Lobbyists, Koch brothers, Congressmen, etc.

            Do we continue to let them do this? Or do we find a way to put continuous pressure on each one of them so they know we're not cool with them fucking up the planet for their own profit?

        •  It's impossible to debate (1+ / 0-)
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          dannyinla

          Gore does a great job communicating on this issue. But no matter what he says, his words will be distorted and he will be personally attacked.
          The facts of AGW are pretty much undeniable, so the fossil fuels shills go into personal attack mode whenever the facts are brought up.
          It is impossible to have a reasonable debate with an organized group that simply makes things up.

        •  You're both off-track here (0+ / 0-)

          This shouldn't be about Gore as Debater.  The issue is about Fox going to the videotape well and digging up a nuanced analogy about the climate debate versus the racial debate and then using it to poison the Bill Nye science well.  There was NO OTHER REASON to include the Gore clip.

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