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  •  That was the opinion of somebody in Qaddafi's (1+ / 0-)
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    regime, which I don't trust.  If it had been a signed document by Kucinich saying "I'm going to fight for them (Qaddafi's regime)" you might have a point.  What you have right now is a thinly-sourced attempt to smear Kucinich.  This comment is coming from someone who wanted the rebels to be helped, but who understands my fellow lefties not trusting the US or NATO motives in getting involved. I also fear the strengthening of the unitary executive idea every time the President does not get authorization from Congress for military action, even as I wanted the rebels to be helped.  I can look at folks who didn't agree with me about getting involved in Libya and not need to smear them as some kind of tyrant lovers. Besides, until the rebellion pushed the issue, it was official policy of the United States Government to work with Qaddafi because he was supposedly helping us against terrorism, the sufferers of Lockerbie be damned.

    Maybe Kuch hadn't got the memo yet that we weren't BFF with Moammar anymore?

    Snark aside, Kucinich has long gone outside the borders of what the status quo approves in seeking peace.  It doesn't mean he supports a tyrant's form of government, it just means that he wants the viewpoint of all sides.  If Obama did the same in some talks, would you say he supports dictatorship? Has Obama only spoken to the totally pure in heart during his time as President? If he's talked to bad guys, then why can't members of Congress?

    Kucinich was probably just trying hard to find all the evidence he could to show that the story isn't as simple as "NATO and US good and pure" - as lefties are wont to do.  It's all that bloody history, I guess...

    If the US didn't have such a long history of going into other countries and fucking them up for our capitalists' gain and calling that robber-baron bullshit democracy,  the US government wouldn't be so distrusted by the left that it can't even trust action against a bastard as horrible as Qaddafi.

    And, to the writer of the smear: why is is important to you to slam Kucinich?

    Ah, who needs Free Republic or even Rush Limbaugh when you can get the left smeared as enemy-loving traitorous bastards right here on good ol' Daily Kos.

    No wonder I'm on antidepressants and think this country is doomed.

    •  Still waiting for Kucinich to deny he ever made (1+ / 0-)
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      these info requests, wasn't interested defending Saif Qaddafi, etc. Still waiting for him to say this document is a fake, otherwise it stands un-refluted.

      So far he hasn't. What we have is a "denial" that really denies nothing.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Wed Aug 31, 2011 at 05:58:11 PM PDT

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      •  Call somebody a pig fucker and make him (2+ / 0-)
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        deny it.

        If he denied it, would you believe him?

        •  Nobody called him names (1+ / 0-)
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          An AJE reporter found a document that purports to be a record of a meeting. From this record we can draw certain conclusion.

          It's hard to imagine why the Qaddafi bureaucrats would make something like that up. What do they have to gain? Even if Kucinich was just opposed to NATO intervention, why would they want to undermine that?

          Also note, he is not claiming that AJ fabricated it, he acknowledges that Qaddafi's people wrote it, but he hasn't said that the covered conversation never took place.

          Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

          by Clay Claiborne on Wed Aug 31, 2011 at 07:01:21 PM PDT

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          •  I can read context (2+ / 0-)
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            I can't help what the Libyans put in their files

            Is a politer way of saying "They are saying bullshit about me."

            Kucinich saying he did indeed meet with them doesn't automatically make what they put in their files true.  You are equating two things to paint Kucinich as some kind of traitor which is worse than calling him a pigfucker, but just as useful politically.

            "He didn't deny it!" Not in your preferred words, that's all.

            •  He doesn't have to be impolite, he just has to say (0+ / 0-)

              that what they put in the files isn't true. He "denied it" in such a way that if it turns out to be true he can still say he didn't lie. Now really, what kind of denial is that?

              Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

              by Clay Claiborne on Wed Aug 31, 2011 at 09:24:30 PM PDT

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              •  I was being hyperbolic (0+ / 0-)

                no, Kuch wouldn't be impolite and say a word like bullshit - but I can imagine just being annoyed by the question and answering the way he did.

                So what if he talked to Qaddafi? Lots of people, in and out of Congress, have.  If you post a document from a reputable source that shows that Kuch was trying to get them weapons to fight the rebels, then you'll have a point.

                If Kuch is guilty of anything, it may be a tad overabundance of idealism.   That would be more in keeping with the guy I have read and followed for a few years now than some nefarious reason.  The most apparently unforgivable thing that Kucinich does is step outside the mainstream.  It saddens and frustrates me when liberals seem to tolerate that no better than conservatives do.

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