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  •  Remember, too (5+ / 0-)

    that this is the way society changes. It's the way civil rights laws were changed.

    Somebody does something that is normal for most people in that situation. They ask to address a joint session, something that has NEVER in 250+ year been refused. They sit in an empty seat on a bus. They sit at a lunch counter and ask to be served.

    And they get told 'NO'. It's a totally unreasonable no. It might get them tossed out of the restaurant, off the bus, and in jail. But they ask again. And again. And again. And the more it happens, the more people who aren't involved go 'wtf is WRONG with those morons?' Which is exactly what people are saying about the GOP now.

    It points up that it's going to require some SERIOUS change to the establishment if anything is going to get done. And it also points up that the opposition doesn't just oppose what the person is doing - they viscerally HATE them and totally disrespect them.

    Most people would not treat the President the way the GOP House has been treating Obama. They have NEVER treated any President this way. EVER.

    I hope Obama does a short Rodney Dangerfield routine at the beginning of his speech. Because it would be true. And sad at the same time.

    •  Disagree with the Rodney Dangerfield idea but the (1+ / 0-)
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      rest is excellent.  :)  

      We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

      by Observerinvancouver on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 10:30:10 AM PDT

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    •  Just spoke to my Dad, who is, to my utter (8+ / 0-)

      frustration, a swing voter, even though he is an ex-union guy.  Anyway, I find that he often reflects what is getting through to the Average Joe, so it's good for perspective to see how things are being interpreted by most of the public.  He's no Obama fan, although I think he voted for him, but he just blasted the republicans for this.  He said, "here, this man's trying to do something for people out of work and those bastards, all they want to do is see him fail.  They hate him so much they don't care about people out of work".  So there you have it, as much as we might be disappointed, what is getting through to average voters is that republicans just do not care. I'd call that a win for our side, so let's move on and support the president trying, even if he fails.  The Teaparty is looking worse and worse each day.  

      Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

      by Fury on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 10:42:49 AM PDT

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    •  Perhaps the reason ... (0+ / 0-)

      no request to address Congress has ever been refused before is that prior requesters were not stupid enough to ask for a date they knew had already been calendared for something else months in advance?  Given the logistics involved, it was foolish to assume the debate would be rescheduled.

      Besides which, who's going to watch a speech concerning jobs?  People are only interested in answers and solutions, not more useless discussion.  If Obama had an actual plan, he'd just announce it.  

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

      by Neuroptimalian on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 12:54:46 PM PDT

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      •  Congress must enact most, if not all, of what ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... the President will propose. So, he wants to address both houses and the public. The public because, after all, the economy and unemployment are very serious issues both parties agree on. Of course, the GOP has been playing out only its age-old nonsense agenda and the Democrats need to show leadership with bold and appealing ideas.

        Moreover, the more we see the Tea Partyists buck and run for other things, it's more and more obvious who is doing the blocking.

        I think it would be a lousy idea to "just announce it."

        As for your "foolish to assume the debate would be rescheduled," why would you think the White House thought that? Giving the public a choice about who to watch would have been fine. After all, the GOP debacle-to-be is one of 20 upcoming so-called debates among the same clutch of wannabes who've been entertaining us for weeks. Viewers, even zealots, who missed that crowd on September 7th could pretty easily catch up with the next one on September 12th, or the next one on September 22nd, or the next on October 11th or 18th, or ...

        Obama and strong Democratic majorities in 2012!

        by TRPChicago on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 01:31:21 PM PDT

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