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  •  Nah. It begins with actually knowing something. (0+ / 0-)

    Which is typically precluded by majoring in education.


    Kevin dropped his ice cream and blames Obama? He's gone hamsher!

    by punditician on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 03:40:53 PM PDT

    •  At my college, education is ALWAYS a double major (8+ / 0-)

      for middle school and high school teaching licence candidates.  (Not sure on the terminology for that, lol, I'm a bio major)  They have to complete a full major in whatever subject, and then a full education major.   The only students who can single-major in Education are the ones who will be testing for Early Childhood Education (elementary).  

      I think this is state mandated (Massachusetts).

      We also don't have BA degrees for the sciences--so a high school bio, chem, physics teacher would be a BSc (more credits & more lab work) as well as Education major.

      Your comment was rude, by the way.

      •  I wouldn't bother with the rude part (3+ / 0-)

        He doesn't care.

        The part he is wrong about  is the entire thing  

        "Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent."

        by otto on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 05:14:44 PM PDT

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      •  To the extent that that is the case... (0+ / 0-)

        as opposed to, for example "math education" being the "other" major, that's not completely unreasonable.

        It nevertheless remains the case that the situation you describe is so far outside the norm as to be be laughable.


        Kevin dropped his ice cream and blames Obama? He's gone hamsher!

        by punditician on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 07:23:11 PM PDT

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        •  Link? Evidence? Proof? Something? (0+ / 0-)

          Checked nearby elite liberal arts college (MA)--requires full major.

          Checked nearby state university (CT)--requires full major.

          Checked nearby private liberal arts college (VT)--requires full major.

          Checked University of Alabama for some non-regional input--"Secondary education majors will complete a dual major in a content area and secondary education."

          My school is a public liberal arts college.

          That's a pretty full range of types of schools and they all require a full major in addition to the Education major.  The CT and VT schools actually only have 5 year Bachelor's/Master's programs.

          I don't have time to check every school in the country, or go through every state's Department of Education, but I'm interested in the source of your information that proves "the situation I describe is so far outside the norm as to be be [sic] laughable."

          If you're simply operating off the prejudice that teachers are unintelligent, under-educated, or both, then please get your head out of your ass.

    •  For just about everything below high school (1+ / 0-)
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      elfling

      (and for some high school courses), knowing the subject matter content is by FAR the easiest part of being a good teacher.

      "These are not candidates. These are the empty stand-ins for lobbyists' policies to be legislated later." - Chimpy, 9/24/10

      by NWTerriD on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 09:59:27 PM PDT

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      •  In the State of CT, for example (0+ / 0-)

        Let's say you want to be a teacher of language arts/reading.

        Besides student teaching, before you get a preliminary certificate, you need to take two tests, Praxis I and Praxis II.

        I rarely find a new teacher who passes these tests on the first try. The questions are brutal.

        Those who pass only get preliminary certification. Tenure only comes after 4 years of teaching.

        Want to get rid of bad teachers? Make sure administrators have the guts to evaluate and politely push those who should not be in a room with kids.

        Teachers who take on a student teacher, also must grade his/her teaching honestly.

        I failed one of my student teachers. It was not pretty, but I held my ground along with the support of the administration. I was threatened with law suits and more.

        The union helped me stand my ground, and I am happy to say this person's university also supported me.

        Ask prospective teachers if they want a job or a career. If they treat teaching as a job- put in the hours and go home, then get out of the profession.

        Good teachers know that teaching is a life-long career, in which you seek growth, no matter how long you have been teaching.

        School starts on Tuesday for me. My 43 year. And if I didn't have to deal with data teams and articulation meetings with little articulation, and other nonsense, I might teach until I drop. The problem is now that teachers need time to actually teach- and not to the useless standard state tests.

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