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  •  Of course.... your preconceptions..... (2+ / 0-)
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    JayinPortland, greatdarkspot

    ....are more important and pressing than the facts.

    Your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    •  I think what I'm saying to you makes no sense to (4+ / 0-)
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      you because you have no sense of historical perspective and lack a certain level of self-awareness.

      Real protesters are ready to lose their jobs, lose their homes, go hungry, get beaten, get thrown in jail and suffer whatever other hardships or indignities they have to because they can't stand the status quo.

      Think John Brown. Think Eugene Debbs. Think Martin Luther King. Think Malcom X.

      These aren't people who were worried about being able to afford the airfare to get to Washington. They were people who were ready to put their asses on the line and pay the ultimate sacrifice.

      Real protesters don't need there mommies to pack them a lunch and wait for the weekend and good whether so they can go to the park to chant and carry around signs with biting witticisms about the President.

      My point is you're soft. Most of us are soft. I'm soft. We've had it very good for a very long time in this country. Today we don't have it as good as we recently had it, but things aren't that bad either.

      When things have been bad enough, long enough, people will protest.

      `You needn't go on making remarks like that, ... they're not sensible, and they put me out.'

      by seanwright on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 01:32:34 PM PDT

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      •  Well said (6+ / 0-)
        Real protesters are ready to lose their jobs, lose their homes, go hungry, get beaten, get thrown in jail and suffer whatever other hardships or indignities they have to because they can't stand the status quo.

        The large protest movements I can think of offhand -- e.g., French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Cuban Revolution, Mao's Revolution, USA labor movement of the 1930s -- involved people who already had lost their jobs, lost their homes, were hungry, and were abused by the authorities.  In short, they had nothing to lose by protesting.

        The majority of 'Mercans have a long way to go before that happens.

        Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
        Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

        by Caelian on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 02:24:14 PM PDT

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        •  The *majority*, yes, but our insane authorities (1+ / 0-)
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          seem to be willing to increase the number of homeless, jobless, hungry people mistreated by the authorities.  Fast.

          Teenage U3 is 25%.  U6 is floating around 20%.  Banks are literally stealing people's homes (follow 4closurefraud or Naked Capitalism for details).  Food stamps were recently cut.

          Sure, that's not a majority of Americans who are in this position, but it is a lot, and it's on its way up.  

          And you don't need a majority in destitution for a revolution.  Not when the middle class -- bourgeoisie -- is feeling squeezed and abused and ignored by government too.  

          25% in destitution, 25% just short of that, and 10% doing well but feeling that the government is a disaster.... and you've got a recipe for massive social unrest, barring unusual circumstances.

          Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

          by neroden on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 01:53:20 AM PDT

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      •  don't even have to go that far back... (2+ / 0-)
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        huge antiwar protest in SF led to end of Vietnam war... Mobs of us were in the street...

        Why not now?

        "There's nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires." - President Obama

        by fhcec on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 02:26:39 PM PDT

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        •  That's easy. The draft. People actually had a (8+ / 0-)

          personal stake in fighting to end the war. My dad was q conscientious objector for religious reasons. Some of me my earliest memories are of going with him and my mom to do community service after he was convicted of draft dodging. You disrupt people's lives like that, you're going to get protests.

          `You needn't go on making remarks like that, ... they're not sensible, and they put me out.'

          by seanwright on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 02:31:56 PM PDT

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        •  The Media was very different then (6+ / 0-)

          There were anti-war and other major protests during the W years, and they were simply ignored by the right-controlled Media.  I marched in some of those protests, and it had zero effect.

          Nixon was impeached and resigned over far less that what was done by W and his cabal.  The Washington Post sat by and cheered W and the Iraq war, when they should have been exposing them.  Very different from the time when Gerald Ford could say:

          I got my job through The Washington Post.

          Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
          Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

          by Caelian on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 02:47:40 PM PDT

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      •  Of those hardships.... (2+ / 0-)
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        JayinPortland, neroden

        ...the only ones I have left are getting beaten and thrown in jail, thanks.  The previous two negate my ability to be in place for them.

      •  By the way? (1+ / 0-)
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        JayinPortland

        Soft?  Seriously?  Odds are you wouldn't have survived what I've been through over the past two years, so let's back up that truck a few miles, k?

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