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    RICHARD NIXON: We're going to [put] more of these little Negro bastards on the welfare rolls at $2,400 a family--let people like Pat Moynihan and [special consultant] Leonard Garment and others believe in all that crap. But I don't believe in it. Work, work--throw 'em off the rolls. That's the key.

    NIXON: I have the greatest affection for them [blacks], but I know they're not going to make it for 500 years. They aren't. You know it, too. The Mexicans are a different cup of tea. They have a heritage. At the present time they steal, they're dishonest, but they do have some concept of family life. They don't live like a bunch of dogs, which the Negroes do live like.

    NIXON: I don't mind the homosexuality. I understand it. Nevertheless, goddamn, I don't think you glorify it on public television, homosexuality, even more than you glorify whores. We all know we have weaknesses. But, goddammit, what do you think that does to kids? You know what happened to the Greeks! Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo. We all know that. So was Socrates.

    NIXON: You know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. Neither in a public way. You know what happened to the popes? They were layin' the nuns; that's been goin' on for years, centuries. But the Catholic Church went to hell three or four centuries ago. It was homosexual, and it had to be cleaned out. That's what's happened to Britain. It happened earlier to France.

    Let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies.

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      NIXON: But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco.

      Decorators. They got to do something. But we don't have to glorify it. You know one of the reasons fashions have made women look so terrible is because the goddamned designers hate women. Designers taking it out on the women. Now they're trying to get some more sexy things coming on again.

      EHRLICHMAN: Hot pants.

      NIXON: Jesus Christ.

      •  Good quotes. (2+ / 0-)
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        It shows the darkest parts of a vile man.

        It also reflects how much society has changed in 50 years.

        What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

        by agnostic on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 09:14:58 AM PDT

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        •  Not really (6+ / 0-)

          there are plenty of people like that around right now.
          Some of them running, just like Nixon, to be the republican nominee for president.

        •  they are good quotes. (4+ / 0-)

          They suggest that it's not always wise to hold up a vile man as a model of progressive virtue, cherry-picking his accomplishments in the same way you cherry-picked Obama's failures.  What they quotes suggest is that you are choosing the wrong model for your criticism.

          I understand that you are disappointed, personally so, because of all your work and support.  The country is a very different place from they way things were in the late 60s and early 70s.  Those of us who remember the secret bombing of Cambodia, the killings of students at Kent and Jackson State, the cordon of buses around the White House to protect Nixon from encountering the protesters, J. Edgar Hoover and his personal spying campaign for Nixon, the midnight drunken rants and prayer sessions and racist rantings, the anti-Semitism, the Southern Strategy, Pat Buchanan, Watergate, etc., do not hold Nixon up as an example, even if he did get some decent legislation passed.

          He was governing in a reasonable country, at a time when Senators and Congressmen actually did their jobs, and for all their failings, considered the good of the country more important than unseating the incumbent.

          Your comparison is a poor one.  You might reconsider it.

          Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

          by SottoVoce on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 10:36:22 AM PDT

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          •  My ever fainter hope is that the WH (1+ / 0-)
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            realizes that caving in is not a path to success.

            What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

            by agnostic on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 11:03:43 AM PDT

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            •  this is a completely different subject, and (3+ / 0-)
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              one that I agree with you about, although I hate the word "caving."  At first, I thought that political reality was the motivating force (which, in some cases, it probably is) but I wonder why he would take a move like this latest ozone ruling, without getting anything in return.  It was something the Republicans devoutly wished for, and would have been (if he truly continues to make environmental progress in other areas) something he might have at the very least used as a bargaining chip for a good jobs program, perhaps in green technologies.  To give it away free suggests to me a few possible scenarios:
              1) he's exhausted and has stopped fighting (not likely)
              2) his advisors are telling him in stereo that this is the path to votes (much more likely)
              3) he thinks it will help him get some kind of jobs program through (most likely, but I wouldn't bet on his success).

              That said, I still think the Nixon meme is very misguided.

              Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

              by SottoVoce on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 11:26:53 AM PDT

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        •  Darkest parts? No. (0+ / 0-)

          The secret tapes reveal the real Nixon, and no part is less hateful than any other.

          But Nixon cultivated a benign public facade, and saw political advantage in throwing a bone to the left occasionally - as seen in the quote above about Senator Moynihan (D-NY) and welfare.  

          Nixon was the first president who proclaimed himself a "pragmatist."  What "pragmatic" meant to him was that there was nothing Nixon wouldn't do to further his own ambitions: sometimes enacting progressive legislation, sometimes sending B-52s to wipe out farms and villages, sometimes ordering the FBI to wiretap his own speechwriters, sometimes throwing his Vice President or Chiefs of Staff to the wolves in an effort to save himself.

    •  How are Nixon's most vile rantings different from (3+ / 0-)
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      they typical ranting of a "true progressive"?  Why even bring this up?  Most of them apparently agree with him.  After all, look at the logic:

      they claim to be liberal;

      Nixon was a liberal in their eyes;

      this is what Nixon believed;

      therefore this is what they believe liberalism is;

      therefore they agree with Nixon on these issues.

      •  I have no wish to fight against (1+ / 0-)
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        people who should be my natural allies but the fact that current republicans now claim that, the horrible man, Nixon would be too liberal for their world-view should tell you all that you need to know.

        •  Nixon is both a horrible man AND too liberal (2+ / 0-)
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          for the current GOP. And that is a sad state of affairs.

          What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

          by agnostic on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 11:05:21 AM PDT

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      •  Check out my thread dude is admitting it (3+ / 0-)

        He's had 5 opportunities to address the point, and instead tries the old white man doesn't understand what the Black man is saying.  Can you believe this bullshit?

        How was your weekend Mr. President? Just great! Ate some ice cream, played with the kids, spent some quality time with the Mrs., oversaw the end of a tyrant, you know just a normal relaxing vacation.

        by Adept2u on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 09:36:05 AM PDT

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