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  •  You know how when you see a diary (71+ / 0-)

    like this and all you think you need to do is read the excerpts?

    Not this time.  This time, read the whole article by Lofgren.

    It's like Digby + Krugman, so it = brilliance.

    The diarist is right:  You know the details, but Lofgren puts it all into a coherent--and terrifying--whole.

    •  But... (27+ / 0-)

      ... with this piece and the provocative thoughts behind it, doom the GOP to the ash bin of history?

      We've all known this to be true for some time.

      Is this insider account going to counter the barrage of media relativism that passes for journalism these days?

      It's a scary picture, if only because it's honesty shows that our President's timidity in challenging the basic assumptions and motivations of the GOP has done just as much damage to this nation as a cowed news media (hey - it's been a while since I've seen the last story on the fall of News Corp - think it's because they are making the story go away?).

      It shows the Administration to either be hopelessly naive or completely captured itself by the same powerful interests pulling the strings on the other side of the aisle.

      If this piece has any impact outside of our sphere of progressive thought I will be pleasantly surprised, but I have my doubts.  Just a couple of weeks back I expected the Matt Taibbi piece in Rolling Stone on the SEC's extremely lax record keeping and active record-destroying to show the general public how we needed tighter enforcement of the financial sector.  Its impact lasted maybe a week.

      I'm glad this piece is out - and I hope it helps expose the GOP for the cheap hucksters they are.  But the guy I want to read this and take it seriously currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

      "You don't really need to find out what's going on / You don't really want to know just how far it's gone / Just leave well enough alone / Eat your dirty laundry" Henley/Kortchmar

      by pkohan on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 09:09:47 PM PDT

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      •  Question is whether they'll cause WWIII (25+ / 0-)

        before they are condemned to the ashbin of history.

        They, like Calhoun's Southern Democrats and Hitler's Nazis, are utterly doomed in the long run, but they can make an astounding mess.  Particularly if there are people in power appeasing them rather than imprisoning them as the violent revolutionaries they are.

        Read pp. 1-7 of Krugman's _The Great Unraveling_ (available from Google Books). NOW.

        by neroden on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 10:35:03 PM PDT

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        •  Further problem is this:... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... their blueprint has been adopted globally as a means for dealing with self-inflicted financial crisis.  Look at Greece, Ireland, Italy, Spain.  

          AUSTERITY is what is preached currently.  Not expansion.  Not "oh, hey, if it was the banks that screwed us and the corporations unwilling to hire unless we kowtow to their demands for a weaker labor force, then let's just nationalize some industries and tell corporations to sod off!"

          "You don't really need to find out what's going on / You don't really want to know just how far it's gone / Just leave well enough alone / Eat your dirty laundry" Henley/Kortchmar

          by pkohan on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 07:56:26 AM PDT

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        •  World War III started the day (1+ / 0-)
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          after WWII ended. We have been in continuous war since 1945.

      •  New information has to be received (9+ / 0-)

        by the human brain three times before it even registers.  I think that's a default to prevent overload.
        In any case, when the new information is contrary to or contradicts and already firmly held conviction, the new information has to be received many more times.  Some preconceived notions or prejudices are impossible to over come because supportive information is confirming and contrary information is dismissed as "the exception that proves the rule."  So, for example, the appointment of Clarence Thomas to the SCOTUS is evidence that blacks are not as smart as other people and Democrats who decry his performance on the bench are inadvertently validating that prejudice.

        There is no room in the conservative mind for a dispassionate assessment because all their "thinking" is emotional, instinctive, from the gut.

        Conservatives keep repeating the same message largely because they have poor memories.  The same story has to be repeated over and over again, like a bed time story, to provide the necessary reassurance and security.  Conservatives seem to be people whose emotional development never meshes with their cognitive faculties.  We say they act like children and that's an accurate description.  Where we err is in not recognizing they can't help it.  Conservatives are, if you will, emotionally retarded, stuck in kindergarten and still yearning for the teat -- comfort on demand.

        by hannah on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 07:03:19 AM PDT

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        •  More about the Conservative mind (15+ / 0-)

          All humans "think" with their guts, but studies show that Conservatives have larger areas in the brain that relate to being fearful.

          I once asked a psychoanalyst friend why Conservatives are so vehement about their beliefs, why they repeat them so often. I got a very interesting reply. He said that it is as if they have to keep convincing themselves over and over again because their ideas go against the grain. If you look universally, all over the world, in all eras....the great philosophers and religious teachers is always about liberality, not selfishness....about sharing, not about greed.

          I'm afraid I explain it badly, but I hope you get the idea.

          •  It may also be that people who do not (2+ / 0-)
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            think, speak as an alternative.  Instead of having an interior stream of thought to direct their behavior, they engage in a sort of monologue which allows information to be transferred from the mouth through the ears back inside, making it indistinguishable from other information that comes to them through the ears.
            It may well be that all their sensory collectors (eyes, ears, nostrils, fingers and feet) are tuned to receive information from the outside, without any interior processing taking place.  Their optics are superficial, but so is their hearing and their sense of touch.  When it comes to the agility of their fingers, for example, it may well be that they're what we call "all thumbs"  If so, then conservatives are perhaps incompetent because their sensory instruments aren't well connected.
            It's not unusual for the senses to compensate for some deficit.  Besides, if there's no internal processing of received speech, there's nothing to inhibit it being sent right back out.  Behavior we'd generally define as verbal nimbleness or acuity -- which is, of course, exactly what we see in conservative politicians.  They not only don't think before they speak; they have no idea what that even means.


            by hannah on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 10:02:45 AM PDT

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      •  The Democratic Party has a timid leader (8+ / 0-)

        because we the voters in it are timid "vote for the lesser evil" voters and have been for decades.  (Note that "we" includes me).  We've bought into pro-corporation propaganda more than we like to think.  We the voters have accepted too much compromise with corporate power in politics by voting for Clintons, Landrieus, etc. We are just as quick to run screaming from "communism' and "socialism" labels as anyone else.  The left wing is effectively shut out.

        I believe it has now gotten to the point that it is too late.  It's like what so many others have said: even if you showed this article to R voters and even got them to read it, they would not believe it.  The lies are ingrained too deeply at this point and part of the reason is that we "lefties" have drifted to the right ourselves to maintain our own comfort and not fought for all working people, especially not for white working people.  All we've done is browbeat them for being uneducated,  racist, and laughed at them.  And the R's have made sure the white working people know that one true thing and pounded it home.  Who do you think Limbaugh plays to the most?  See, a platform of lies can't stand if it is all lies.  There has to be a grain of truth.  The D party went corporate and abandoned Labor (mustn't be seen as commies, ya know).  White working people know this and know it even without R's telling them.  That makes it easier for them to believe and hold onto the rest of whatever R's do tell them - and that works so well for the Rs electorally, financially, etc.  I am frustrated that my fellow working-class white people can't see that it's 99.9999% bullshit as a cover to pick their own pockets, but what do I have to offer them as an alternative? Vote for Bank of America Democrats? Puhleez.  I tried that myself and all I feel is shame at my timidity and weakness.  I'm not promoting it to them.  If I get banned for saying that, so be it.

        I think by now it is too late and this country is just going to finish going to hell.  It took war to decimate Europe and bring them down low enough to actually appreciate social compacts for their people; something is going to have to bring this country down so that people will have no choice but to realize we have to start taking care of each other and compromising.  It's going to take some kind of kick in the ass; that is the only time people ever seem to fucking get it.  The US has been proud too long and will have to fall.  People are going to suffer like's not what I want it's just how I see history playing out.

        It is hard to believe that the person who wrote this piece for Truthout is a Republican.   He sounds just like a ("Obama hater") Kossack, to me.  Lordy! Maybe that's why this place frequently works my last nerve (but I love most of y'all anyway): most of y'all are actually (non crazy) Republicans! LOL!  Okay, I'll stop rambling now.  I'm probably going to be banned anyway.

        •  Right on Zett. It's hard to raise your subject (0+ / 0-)

          without getting the knee-jerk response, but you've zeroed in on the heart of the matter.

          "Hey, I'm depraved on account of I'm deprived!" ...Dear Officer Krupke...

          by bryker on Mon Sep 05, 2011 at 08:34:56 AM PDT

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      •  Right-wing thinkers are immune to reason (0+ / 0-)

        It seems that right-wingers are so engrained by their day-to-day immersion in Rush Limbaugh-SeanHannity-Bill Oreilly thought that they are incapable of seing the fault in their reasoning.  Any time that one of their own strays from the fold, they refuse to listen to the reasons, but only condemn the facts.

      •  i think you hogtie yourself (2+ / 0-)
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        when you say the administration is either hopelessly naive or completely captured by the same interests.  it's not true.  clearly the administration does not owe its existence to the koch bros.  and it is not naive. your analysis such as it is, leaves you no place to go.  

        imo what is going on is exactly what is described in the paragraph on hostage taking: it is the irrational crazy psychotic actor that holds the power in a hostage situation, and the sane, rational actor who is at the disadvantage.  we saw this played out for days during the manufactured 'debt crisis'.  that part of this article was the most cogent and important in the whole piece, for it laid out clearly what effect it is having on the voting public in terms of its view of 'government' and 'politicians'

        obama HAD to be the adult in the room; he was the president.  same goes for extending the bush tax cuts.  

        imo as to what to do, is we have got to make sure the senate doens't flip, and we have got to return reason, as well as nancy, to its throne.  

        it's going to be hard, concentrated work with no room - ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM FOR DESPAIR.

        Vote GOP in 2012; let's prove the Mayans right!

        by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 01:40:18 PM PDT

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    •  I wish he would cross post that here (21+ / 0-)

      it really is that important. My 15 year old is reading it right now. At first he balked at the length but he is wrapped up in it.

      Wow. Just wow.

      "Pretty soon we're not going to be able to find reasonable decent people who are willing to subject themselves to serving public office." Sheriff Dupnik, AZ

      by voracious on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 10:00:11 PM PDT

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    •  i read the article (1+ / 0-)
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      and sent it to everyone i know. such brilliance by someone on the right. no wonder our government is suffering when talented people leave because they are so disgusted.

      i read like the way he nails the whole 'both sides' issue.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

      by GustavMahler on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 01:45:02 PM PDT

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    •  I did NOT include tag "John Bitch Society" (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't know who added 2 tags to my diary, but I don't appreciate it a bit. My only 2 tags are "cult" and "modern GOP"  How did someone add "John Bitch Society" and "TeaParty?" Sucks.

      This whole world's wild at heart and weird on top....Lula

      by anninla on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 02:44:53 PM PDT

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