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  •  All for nothin'...the voters have no say (11+ / 0-)

    if it comes to corporate persons vs joe citizen we lose.

    Media wants to keep us separated cause if the right, left, and middle ever come together change might really happen...

    Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing.Ralph Waldo Emerson, 1841

    by SallyCat on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 06:57:18 PM PDT

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    •  the voters have no say, but not for the reason (5+ / 0-)

      most think . . .

      The WTO already exists, and it already has jurisdiction over nearly all world trade. The bilateral treaties no longer matter very much. WTO sets the real rules, and WTO doesn't have to care what any voters think because WTO is not elected--and has legal veto power over any act carried out by any elected government.

    •  The Center will always be corporate. (4+ / 0-)
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      SallyCat, Mr Robert, joedemocrat, Aspe4

      The Right and the Left are fighting for the Center.

      That's the political lay of the land these days.

      The Center is decidedly corporate and it will remain so as long as we allow corporate to inform our population.


      Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

      by k9disc on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 07:35:23 PM PDT

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    •  It really is "divide and conquer" (2+ / 0-)
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      SallyCat, Aspe4

      It's one reason everything is presented as polarized right from the get-go. And they hire experts at stirring emotions, and muddying the discussion, all in a polarized atmosphere.

      Came across a conservative/libertarian blogger. He said "Hey, you tell me global warming, I don't believe you. We're too tiny to have an effect, and the Sun is huge. You tell me soot, well, I see that, I can tell how that's bad, I don't want my town to have that."

      I think that's a bit of genius there. We're fed stock phrases, and then have debates about non-existent categories. We're reduced to a political "discourse" which amounts to, as old-timers used to say, "blah blah about tra tra."

      Breaking Media Central is really the very first task of a serious rebellion against the existing corrupt order.

      "Whatever you do, don't mention The War." Basil Fawlty, while mentally impaired.

      by Jim P on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 09:06:09 PM PDT

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      •  I do that with conservative friends... (4+ / 0-)
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        Currently CA One Care...all I need to do is flip the topic to their health insurance premiums and co-pays. I can instantly convert them to the issue. Did the same with some folks on SSI / Medicaid...totally understood the need for single payer.

        We take the political parties out of it and get to 'kitchen table' issues we can win. Just need to do more one on one...

        Nothing astonishes men so much as common sense and plain dealing.Ralph Waldo Emerson, 1841

        by SallyCat on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 09:24:30 PM PDT

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    •  Free Trade Issue Doesn't Fit Neatly Into (3+ / 0-)
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      VigilantLiberal, SallyCat, j1j2j3j4

      the MSM's right v. left, Republican v. Democrat prism like culture war issues such as gay marriage or abortion do. Both parties largely support free trade so there's no conflict for the media to cover as if it were a baseball game.

      "The problem with posting quotes off the Internet is you never know if they're genuine."--Gen. George Washington at the Battle of Gettysburg, February 30, 1908

      by Aspe4 on Mon Sep 05, 2011 at 04:23:45 AM PDT

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