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  •  I agree... getting tax breaks after outsourcing is (10+ / 0-)

    simply a bonus. It's like a big fat banker style bonus for running your company into the dirt.

    Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

    by k9disc on Sun Sep 04, 2011 at 07:32:45 PM PDT

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    •  The whole point of free trade is to (5+ / 0-)

      outsource our jobs and bring the product back to the US market an increased profits.   They are one and the same.    Which is why I never can understand why the stupid Michigan Democratic Party brings Clinton, the spawn-er of deregulation and outsourcing designed to destroy America's middle class,  to town to rally the troops.    It's akin to bringing a skunk to a picnic.

      Yes we can, but he won't.

      by dkmich on Mon Sep 05, 2011 at 02:54:00 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, both parties have been constructing (3+ / 0-)
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        the free trade structure since the 1970's. Both GOP and Democratic politicians left office, after advocating Free Trade, and from Wall Street began demolishing every vital company in sight. They would buy them, suck them dry of cash and assets, drain their pension funds and then send them into bankruptcy so the workers had no recourse on their lost pensions.

        One after another, every productive, profitable, stable AMERICAN company after another was treated thus, and the politicians did it as they travelled the revolving doorway from Wall Street to Washington.

        It's bitter that the Solar energy company President Obama visited not long ago is now shutting down because they can't compete with a government-sponsored, government financed solar energy company in China.

        What is needed are Fair Trade tariffs on such companies that recieve subsidies from their governments. Steep tariffs. Of course, the WTO will rule against us; but we need to ask ourselves, do we fight a war over this in another thirty years, when we have nothing left? Or do we stand up against it now?

        And what are we to do with both political parties that are actively working to undermine our country?

        •  Some good thoughts there. (2+ / 0-)
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          I'd note that the Solar energy company Obama visited had received a $500 million guaranteed loan from the gov't for a new factory, so in that case it wasn't for lack of trying.
          But overall policy the last 20 years has been awful in that regard. On again (Democratic) off-again (Republican) incentives have significantly weakened alternative energy companies because they can't plan effectively.

          George Bush actually tried a steel tarriff, and it turned out that those affected by it could have harmed us more than we could have gained by keeping them in place. What I think we need are free trade agreements only with countries who have basic labor and environmental standards. Pretty radical to pull out of GATT and NAFTA and set up a new treaty along these lines, but eminently reasonable all the same.

          No one ever created a vibrant economy by building houses for each other. Houses are built because there is a vibrant economy.

          by Doug in SF on Mon Sep 05, 2011 at 09:30:04 AM PDT

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          •  what you advocate is called "Fair Trade" (3+ / 0-)
            What I think we need are free trade agreements only with countries who have basic labor and environmental standards.

            It is already a thriving movement.  It declares that if the WTO and free trade agreements are not going to go away (and they are not), then it's time for us to use them as weapons, by forcing the inclusion of "fair trade" requirements (worker rights, minimum wages, safety and purity standards, environmental protections) into the WTO rules themselves, thereby forcing every company on the planet to follow these standards.

            The US has given lip service to the Fair Trade movement--and not much else.


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