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  •  Comparing Islam, other religions, and atheism (5+ / 1-)
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    The data that I found does indicate that Islam is "less bad" in promoting extremist violence than many people think, and in fact, appears to be roughly the same as other religions.  

    Your comments raise another point that I did not address - what is the track record of atheist regimes in promoting extremist violence when compared to non-atheist regimes?  Well, there are only a limited number of what I would categorize as atheist regimes over the past 1500 years, but experience over the 20th Century with the Soviet Union under Stalin and China under Mao do not support the notion that atheist nations are less likely to engage in extremist violence.

    I totally respect your pursuit of your personal preferences, and it's a free country, so if there are aspects of Islam that you want to criticize, you have every right to do so.  But I do not see the substantiation for the case that Islam, or all religions, are more prone to promote extremist violence than non-religious or atheist groups.

    •  Umm....Atheism is not a belief system (0+ / 0-)

      Atheism is not a belief system, so there is no such thing as an "atheist regime".

      The governments you mentioned did not in anyway form their policies around a lack of god-beliefs.    They denied and oppressed religion in order to subvert the power of the church to oppose them.

      Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

      by bobtmn on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 04:58:54 PM PDT

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    •  Hide rated for prejudice (0+ / 0-)

      I decided I needed to come back and hide rate your comment about so called "atheist regimes".  

      You are making a generalization that is usually found only among the religious zealots who claim that people who reject god beliefs have something in common other than that they reject one more god than you do.

      Atheists are among the most hated groups in the world, worthy of death by Islamists and worthy of hell fire by christians.  

      By lumping us together with Stalin and Mao you are making a form of blood-libel against us.

      Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

      by bobtmn on Tue Sep 06, 2011 at 05:22:40 PM PDT

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      •  I've never been "hide-rated" before (0+ / 0-)

        My intention was not to commit a libel of any form - I felt my reference to extremist violence committed by regimes that were atheist was similar to references to extremist violence committed by the various religious groups in my examples.  My point is that the acts of extremists do not extend culpability to people who may share a religious (or atheistic) origin but are not extremists themselves.

        I was trying to pose arguments that could be seen as factual by people of all beliefs.  The only assertion I made was that there is no evidence that regimes without a religion are less likely to engage in extremist violence.  I think it is fair to say that the regimes of Stalin and Mao did not have a religious foundation, and thus they are two substantial existence proofs that refute the hypothesis of atheism = less violence.  

        I understand that atheists are often subject to hostility and prejudice, and it has been my intention in writing this diary to counter that inappropriate behavior.  I hope you will reconsider your hide rating (if that is even possible - I am not sure).  

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