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  •  I wouldn't vote (53+ / 0-)

    for Joe Lieberman when he was a Democrat.

    Saying they won't vote for a Democrat is kosher. While I think not voting for Obama would be idiotic, there are strategic reasons why a Democrat wouldn't want to vote for a Democratic candidate.

    I'm not zapping for idiocy.

    •  edscan is still gone, then? (2+ / 0-)
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      I got worried when you started to show weakness there at the end, what with the reinstatement clause and all. (ask yourself, what would Republican Jeebus do?)
      I can't say if edscan was idiocy, but he sure lost it there.
      Of course, he gets quoted most Saturdays in Palooza, so in a way, he's an FP guy now.

      Class war has consequences, and we are living them.

      by kamarvt on Wed Sep 07, 2011 at 10:47:57 AM PDT

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    •  Thanks for the rule there (0+ / 0-)

      It's a reasonable position.  Should we be printing and binding it?

      In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

      by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 07, 2011 at 11:09:10 AM PDT

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    •  I think continuing to vote for right wing (0+ / 0-)

      "Democrats" is idiocy.

      We've been trying it your way for a long time now. It has clearly failed. All it's done is allow a bunch of right wingers to infiltrate our party.

      And what has resulted from that? Aside from a right wing party? What has resulted is unfettered Republican expansion. Look around you. Do you see anyone in power challenging the ideology of the right? Do you see any real challenge to the sociopathic savagery of neoliberl/neoconservative ideology?

      No wonder the Republicans are thriving. Their only opponents are to the right of Nixon. We are like a bird with two right wings, rapidly spiraling down into destitution.

      It's time to face facts. The strategy of voting for Democrats in name only, no matter what, for the appearance of short term victory, as we lose the long term war, has failed.

      In our quest to defeat Republicans, we have elected Republicans disguised as Democrats. Who's the idiot?

      More importantly, however, we have pissed away what limited leverage that we the people possess to influence our party and our government.

      Once you have committed to vote for whatever person has a D by their name, no matter what that politician has done, you have forfeited your power. You've pissed away what little leverage you possess to hold leaders accountable and, most importantly, make them answer to you.

      And you wonder why they ignore you.

      A vote for Obama, at this point, is nothing more than plea to be fucked, yet again. It is a statement that says, "Ignore me. Take me for granted. Do what you want with this country, because I am more concerned with the right winger in the other party than I am with the right winger in my own party."

      Who's the idiot that can't even spot an infiltrator. If I put a Coke label on a Pepsi, is it a fucking Coke all the sudden?

      In your neverending quest to elect Democrats, "No Matter What™", what you've really done is help to create a political climate ripe for Republican hegemony. Every time you held your nose and voted for Max Baucus, or Steny Hoyer, or the numerous other Republicans disguised as Democrats, you have actually helped the Republican party.

      Your whole fucking strategy, while appealing on the surface, has actually, over 6the long term, completely fucking backfired.

      Evidence? Look around. Our government is more right wing than it has ever been in its history.

      Good job.

      Even a child can comprehend sacrificing a player in chess for the long term advantage. So the only question is, does the benefit of sacrificing Obama in 2012 outweigh the risk of electing Mitt Romney.

      The answer is clearly yes. I don't even want to imagine a Democratic party after Obama. One that can just completely ignore the needs of an overwhelming majority of its members and supporters. One that repeatedly sides with the parasites who are looting our country over the overwhelming majority of our citizens? One that promotes economic policies that are destroying the lives of the overwhelming majority of American.

      If that's the Democratic party you want, then by all means, vote for Obama. But if you really are a reformer. And you are tired of being kicked to the curb, ignored, and robbed by these low-life looters, it's time to say no.

      It's time to say, you either serve us, or you don't serve at all.

      •  Damn, Happy, you either put up an option for (4+ / 0-)
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        a Democratic primary candidate or you're obviously here to discourage actual Obama/Democratic supporters on this site.  And how is it reforming if he LOSES and we get President Perry?  You think you won't GET ROBBED by Republicans if they win because you don't want us to vote?

        Riiight.

        Pathetic.

        OBAMA/BIDEN AND DEMOCRATIC MAJORITIES IN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS IN 2012!!!!  GOTV!!!!  It's time to show Rethuglicans that Americans simply aren't as stoopid as they hope we are.

        Best. President. Ever.

        by Little Lulu on Wed Sep 07, 2011 at 02:51:17 PM PDT

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        •  Discourage? (3+ / 0-)
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          I'm here to encourage people to take the Democratic party back from these right wing infiltrators.

          The only thing I want to discourage is people listening to propagandists, fear mongerers, and those who want people to give up their only power to influence their party and their country.

          Rick Perry is scary. But not nearly as scary as 25 million Democrats being told to shut the fuck up and get in line. Not nearly as scary as two right wing parties. Not nearly as scary as "the party of the people" without the people.

          •  Not nearly as scary, eh? Maybe to a Republican (0+ / 0-)

            he's not that scary.  To me, he spells the total demise of democracy.  

            It's not influencing the Democratic party to encourage people not to vote for their candidate for president.  That's obviously attempting to influence Democrats to LOSE.  And Obama is not a "right wing infiltrator" as you've attempted to infer.  That's just laughable!  If his policies are so right wing, why does every single Republican vote against anything he proposes that would create jobs for Americans or lower Middle Class taxes?

            So absurd.  Your agenda to discourage our votes is obvious.

            Best. President. Ever.

            by Little Lulu on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 07:34:10 AM PDT

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        •  Perry doesn't scare me in the least (0+ / 0-)

          and neither do Bachmann or Cain or Palin.  They all have the same chance of getting elected President:  zero.  So please, stop with the scare tactics.  

          Besides, don't look now, but it was the Democrats who made the extension of the Bush tax cuts and the new SuperDuperCongress happen.  

          Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

          by Big River Bandido on Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 01:34:33 PM PDT

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      •  Well, since Kos says this is a Democratic site, (2+ / 0-)
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        I'd say you have a decision to make as to whether or not you want to participate here as a supporter of Democrats.

        If not, and it certainly appears not, perhaps this isn't the place for you.

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