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  •  Power is power. (4+ / 0-)

    Money and political influence are proxies for power.

    Power is "There are more of us than there are of them. Let's go get what we need."

    •  Exactly, but "we" don't know how powerful we can (1+ / 0-)
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      be.

    •  There's another kind of power... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...the power to influence - the ability to get people to do what they may/do not want to do.

      Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

      by kck on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 11:49:08 AM PDT

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      •  Same kind. (4+ / 0-)
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        It's just a proxy for making them do it.

        If you can convince them that they benefit through compliance, that's just a labor-saving device.

        •  Sometimes, sometimes it's labor savings.... (0+ / 0-)

          ...sometimes not. It has to be worth the effort, eh?

          Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

          by kck on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 12:11:09 PM PDT

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          •  If it's not worth the effort... (0+ / 0-)

            then I'm indifferent, at best, about whether it gets done.

            •  Just for the sake of clarity, there are levels... (0+ / 0-)

              ...of worth and effort and indifference to one may effect the other..

              To move many in a direction different from the natural flow, say create a culture change - perhaps in a nation, an army, a corporation, a movement, a blog - there are some people, probably leadership types who are valuable to take all along the way, for whom it is very valuable to create a strategy, maybe even custom strategies, to align their intentions and behaviors. Then there are masses of people who need to be just moved be it through compliance or attrition.  

              There's the power of war and the power of diplomacy - both powerful, but difference costs, different levels of effort, different degrees of pathology.

              Some kinds of sociopaths can only do one or the other and some very high functioning sociopaths will fluidly do both as appropriate (I think the use of sociopath is very loosely used here in this diary but it's true to some degree).

              Eliminate the Bush tax cuts Eliminate Afghan and Iraq wars Do these things first before considering any cuts

              by kck on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 12:37:03 PM PDT

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        •  It's still extortion. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuzZQ8LTE2c

          by hannah on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 12:18:42 PM PDT

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          •  Uh huh. (1+ / 0-)
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            Everything is, to the extent that you benefit from it. You can strive to see to it that others benefit as well, but again, that's just a labor-saving device. If you're able to demonstrate and deliver ancillary benefits to others when they comply with your requests, it saves you the labor of beating it out of them, and saves them the labor of recovering from the beating and/or plotting to beat you.

        •  Psychological power and physical power (0+ / 0-)

          ...are the same?

          "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

          by zenox on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 12:29:47 PM PDT

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    •  "Us" vs "them"? (0+ / 0-)

      Human kind has known for more than two millenias that such claims to be fallacies at best.

      "Power is power"?

      That too is a fallacy, isn't it?

      Money and political influence?

      Ask Mubarak...or Saddam...tee hee hee...

      "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

      by zenox on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 11:59:34 AM PDT

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      •  Money and political influence... (1+ / 0-)
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        are derivative powers.

        You give me money because it's easier for both of us than my taking it from you.

        You give me political power because it's easier for both of us than my taking it from you.

        Mubarak and Saddam had it taken from them.

        •  Money is a token. Worthless in itself. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuzZQ8LTE2c

          by hannah on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 12:19:50 PM PDT

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          •  It's a proxy. (1+ / 0-)
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            I've been clear about that.

            I can just as easily extract labor from you, if that's what I need. (Though by "just as easily" I also mean "with just as much difficulty," as the case may be.)

            If I need a task performed, I'll prefer to take labor from you. If I think you're too weak to perform the labor, I'll take money, if I think I can use it to get the labor out of someone who's: a) strong enough to perform it, and; b) strong enough to defeat me if I try to extract the labor directly from him through an exercise of physical power.

            If I can't make use of it, then it's a token. Less, in fact.

            •  And what happens (1+ / 0-)
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              ...when it is "taken" from you?

              Hear this. In your "physical power" theory, you are missing the whole elephant in the room:

              You will never have enough of what you "need."

              That will be your undoing.

              The one who has overcome the "need" will win.

              Speaking metaphorically...

              "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

              by zenox on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 12:51:24 PM PDT

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            •  In addition (1+ / 0-)
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              ...think in terms of addictions like alcoholism, drug addiction and obesity. All based on temporary gratification.

              The "need" is not satisfied but instead it grows in positive correlation with each consumption. It will eventually kill the person.

              In the same token, the more we have in terms of materials and power, the more we need.

              It is never enough.

              That's the key.

              That's why we have a system of "checks and balances."

              To protect our nation from such death.

              Rome wasn't so lucky.

              "Corruptio Optimi Pessima" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

              by zenox on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 12:58:28 PM PDT

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            •  I think (0+ / 0-)

              that you're ignoring the contributions of greed/desire and concentrating entirely on coercion/fear.  Both are operative.

              You say "If I NEED a task performed," but perhaps you should say, "If I WANT a task performed" -- or a physical good, or an emotional stroke, or an animal pleasure like sex.  Power doesn't only derive from the ability to coerce/destroy.  There is also power in the ability to create, to give pleasure, or to reduce pain.  Often the two are incompatible; the sociopath can commit rape, but cannot coerce love, and therefore if he desires the latter, must elicit it as a voluntary behavior.  Most creators perform so poorly under coercive conditions that they must be bribed and persuaded rather than physically forced if their products are desired.  Desire therefore limits coercion.

      •  Not every (1+ / 0-)
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        Ask Mubarak...or Saddam...tee hee hee...
        dictator meets such an end. In fact, the examples you cite are the rare exceptions. Stalin died peacefully in his sleep at the height of his power, with the blood of tens of millions on his hands. Before his time, hundreds of thousands of Emperors, Kings, and lesser "nobles" were born into power, lived, ruled, and died unchallenged.

        Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

        by drewfromct on Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 04:08:32 PM PDT

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