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  •  It's not quite that simple, and when we muddle (2+ / 0-)
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    which the diary does a bit, we very easily lose focus.

    Justified anger does not grant you unrestricted license.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 05:13:52 AM PDT

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    •  I agree. (2+ / 0-)
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      And would add it is important to understand what is motivating each faction, it isn't all the same.

      "A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead 

      by Scott Wooledge on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 06:36:36 AM PDT

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      •  They really are all the same. (3+ / 0-)
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        No matter what title you give them.

        To be a Republican you have to be a bigot of some kind.

        To the Christian Right who hates gays to the middle class white person who thinks cutting taxes for the rich and cutting government for the poor only effects minorities.

        Bigotry is the unifying force of the GOP.

        Bruce Bartlett On the Republicans in Congress. "I think a good chunk of the republican caucus is either stupid, crazy, ignorant or craven cowards, who are desperately afraid of the tea party people, and rightly so."

        by SharksBreath on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 06:50:08 AM PDT

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        •  It probably is fair (3+ / 0-)
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          to say bigotry is a unifying theme.

          It is probably not fair to say Christinan Dominionists are aligned with the same endgoals as Rupert Murdoch. Therein lies their potential for the GOP's circular firing squad, as seen by Fox News shilling for Romney, when the grassroots is seeing starbursts over Bachmann and Perry and not giving Romney the time of day.

          This diary is a thoughtful examination of one particular subset of the overall base that makes up the GOP.  So to come in and say, "Well, they are all the same," moves the conversation away from better understanding the enemy, not toward it. Knowing where our opponents have differences can lead us to effective divide and conquer strategy.

          "A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead 

          by Scott Wooledge on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 07:10:32 AM PDT

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        •  Actually, that's not true. (1+ / 0-)
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          There are two basic kinds of conservatives:  so-called "social conservatives" and "fiscal conservatives."  

          Fiscal conservatives tend to want more unfettered capitalism, a much smaller role for the federal government (one way they measure that is the federal spending as a percent of GDP), more autonomy to state and local government, less taxation across the board, and the social safety net being provided by private charities rather than government.  

          While there are certainly bigots in that group (as there are bigots on most aspects of society), not everyone who believes in those things is automatically a bigot.

          People can have a fundamentally different view of the role of government from progressives without being bigoted against minorities.  You certainly can call them "wrong" (most people who disagree on things like this think the other side is wrong) but that's very different than saying everybody who believes on a more limited federal government role is bigoted against minorities.  

          •  And identifying those fissures (1+ / 0-)
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            can provide us with a road map to dividing in conquering. NY in 2012 will be interesting because the Religious Right is spitting nails over the REPUBLICANS who helped marriage equality pass. (Four, plus leadership and the whole caucus that could have stopped it, but didn't.)

            The Religious Right is going to put everything they have into punishing the Republican Party in NY in 2012.

            That can only be good for Democrats. For once, the circular firing squad is convening on THEIR side of the aisle.

            "A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead 

            by Scott Wooledge on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 08:21:51 AM PDT

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      •  That's right (3+ / 0-)
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        it isn't all the same, which is what I have stressed for 30 years in writing about these things.  

        That said, in short focused pieces of writing, some generalizations need to be made. Goes with the territory, particularly when writing about politics, as distinct from theology.  Knowing how theological ideas meet politics is where the rubber meets the road in making some of the kinds of distinctions I think you are talking about.

        But then how that information gets used by reporters, scholars and political activists -- is another thing altogether.

    •  Muddling is the point. (0+ / 1-)
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      If you can't get voters to vote for democratic party candidate break out the Christian Right fear card.

      Fortunately, for us the evil things the Christian Right wants to do are mostly barred by the State and Federal Constitutions. Unfortunately the same can not be said for DNC/Democratic Machine politicians.

      •  Well, except bash gays... (1+ / 0-)
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        the evil things the Christian Right wants to do are mostly barred by the State and Federal Constitutions.
        At least so far, but they are losing that battle too, as Judge are beginning to check their bigotry and read the Constitutions a little more closely.

        "A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead 

        by Scott Wooledge on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 08:23:38 AM PDT

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      •  You still here, troll? n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

        by Dirtandiron on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 08:33:38 AM PDT

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