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  •  It's not that hard to understand. Rick Perry will (7+ / 0-)

    be the Republican nominee and he has a very good chance at defeating president Obama, no matter what he says about Social Security or Medicare, etc.

    The populace despises weakness and equivocation in a candidate more than anything else.

    •  Strong and Wrong beats Weak and Right (6+ / 0-)

      every time...

      Too bad our side doesn't get it...

      "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

      by justmy2 on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 07:42:13 AM PDT

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    •  Don't think Perry can defeat Obama in a general (7+ / 0-)

      election. He is the weakest against Obama that's why Karl Rove is working hard to stop him from being the nominee.

      But I agree with you, Perry will be the Nominee no matter what. I said it last week. Last week Perry won the debate despite the Pundits spin. And he will win tonight debate.

      "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

      by LaurenMonica on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 07:45:15 AM PDT

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      •  A piece of lint has a chance against Obama... (1+ / 0-)
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        Considering the energy lined up against him on the far right, the profound frustration by the indies, and the malaise felt by the left. It will be an uphill slog against any one of the candidates and I'm beginning to wonder if we should be pulling for a more moderate Repub considering that dipshit Perry will set the country on fire.

        •  Perry is loathed by the Dem Base and reminds ppl (6+ / 0-)

          of Bush enough to get the base fired up to defeat him in 2012. Perry's past secessionist talks are enough to turn off Indies.

          Indies aren't anti-federal government and know the history of this country and won't give Perry a pass for his secessionist talks.

          "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

          by LaurenMonica on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 07:55:46 AM PDT

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        •  Conservative Democrats (2+ / 0-)
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          have been left out the last 5 years. Now it's coming home to roost? Media has reinforced the message that Democrat=spendthrift. Obama trying to cajole listeners that Republicans agree with him now? Just makes him look like a weak triangulator.

      •  Actually, not so. It's very highly possible (6+ / 0-)

        that Perry will beat President Obama. Why? The economy.

        I work with B2B PAC, and all views and opinions in this account are my own.

        by slinkerwink on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 07:54:20 AM PDT

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        •  Everything is possible I agree. But Obama can and (6+ / 0-)

          might beat Perry. Why? Bush.

          "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

          by LaurenMonica on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 07:57:13 AM PDT

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        •  I wish people would take this threat (6+ / 0-)

          seriously. Perry's campaign tactics will make Rove's dirty tricks look like junior high pranks. He has no moral compass and will stop at nothing to advance his march to the White House. He's got unlimited funding through his "pay-to-play" promises for mega-donors, and voters are looking for a change. It's an incendiary combination: ignorance + greed + evil.

          You cannot enlighten the unconscious.

          by cassandracarolina on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 08:17:18 AM PDT

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          •  Take Seriously or Defeatist Talk? (0+ / 0-)

            I find all of this hand-wringing over the inevitability of President Perry when the first primary is four months away and the ones that will really decide it more then six months from now ridiculous. I for one don't care who wins the Republican Primary, because it is pretty clear that whoever the nominee is they would be unacceptable. When the time comes, nobody is going to be taken an Obama win for granted. However, I fail to see the point of working ourselves into a state of depression when nobody knows how this plays out in the end.

      •  i think it'll be a tougher fight than (3+ / 0-)

        it should be, that's what.

        Obama should be able to landslide someone as nutty as Perry. But he won't. We have a shot at winning but we also have a very real risk of losing. The man is a damned good campaigner, regardless of how I feel about his wackadoodle policies.

        Obama's no slouch, mind you, he's a pretty good campaigner too but really he's got some string disadvantages this time out and we are vulnerable. No doubt about it.

        It's the difference between losing a fight and refusing one. (h/t Kossack james richardson)

        by mdmslle on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 08:18:20 AM PDT

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      •  Perry will definitely be the nominee (2+ / 0-)
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        Against Obama? Not sure. It depends a lot on what happens over the next year, I guess. I'd hate to think that a pol like Perry even has a shot at that much power, but welcome to America.

      •  Why is anyone surprised (3+ / 0-)
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        You are dealing with a primary electorate that at least half of whom believed he was/is born in Kenya, Muslim and a Communist/Socialist.

        In fact if you could get inside the heads of the GOP voter you would find probably 75% actually firmly believed those accusationsw but some were too afraid to admit it. Even now probably 33% of these lunatics still believe those things. in fact they would deport Obama if they could.

        No, I'm not kidding.

        Perry baring a scandal will win the nomination and will
        not beat Obama, not a chance and the protestations of Rove & Co. are proof positive of this.

      •  Rove is working hard against him for personal... (0+ / 0-)

        ...reasons.  If Perry wins, he starves all the money out of Rove's coffers and make Rove irrelevant.


        by LordMike on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 09:57:48 AM PDT

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      •  Not So Sure Perry is a lock (0+ / 0-)

        Look at all of the big states that Perry has to take, most of which are not filled with the kind of Republicans that want to end SS and Medicare: CA (55), NY (29), FL (29), PA(20), OH (18), MI (16), MA (11).

        I am convinced that most Republican Primary voters are not paying any attention to the debates right now and national polls are only a measure of name recognition and a vague notion of what that candidate is like.  Most of them have no idea what he said at the latest debate or what is in his book. I am willing to bet if the question posed to Republican voters was "Perry wants to end SS and Medicare do you support him for President?" his number would not look so hot right now.

    •  So much FAIL here... (9+ / 0-)

      1) There is no way in hell Rick Perry will beat Barack Obama in a general election.

      2) While Obama would beat Perry no matter what Perry said about Social Security, what Perry has said about Social Security has utterly doomed any chance Perry ever had to get elected president.

       3) For you to define Perry as a person who doesn't equivocate  sounds more like something coming out of Perry's campaign war room than it does a Daily Kos comment.

       4) What the puplic despises is when a small cabal of resentful white people who becomes sexually aroused over eliminationist rhetoric (aka,  Republican party primary voters) propels unhinged nutcases onto the national presidential election stage.

      When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

      by wyvern on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 08:10:43 AM PDT

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      •  Wishful thinking. The concepts of strength and (5+ / 0-)

        equivocation when it comes to politics are all about perception.  If you are perceived to be weak, to back down, to give-in, to not fight for what you believe in, then you'll pay the consequences.

        •  Okay, I get it... (3+ / 0-)
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          ..Obama is the milksop intellectual who pees his pants when things gets dicey;   Perry is the damn the torpedoes Daddy figure that is going to protect us from the terrorists, atheists, Muslims & Socialists.

          I'll just cherry pick this one thing since I could give you a thousand word response that would be full of nothing but factual & anecdotal evidence that Perry is doomed as a presidential candidate:

          Perry sunk his own ship with his "Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme" crack.

          Outside of the Daily Kos echo chamber (an echo chamber that seriously defined Michelle Bachmann as "disciplined") Perry is seen as a cooked goose.

          Just because a bunch of psychopaths roar with approval when Perry brags about how many death row imates he has murdered...that does not automatically mark Perry the next president of the United States.

          When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

          by wyvern on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 08:34:02 AM PDT

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      •  Dismiss Perry as unelectable at your peril! (5+ / 0-)

        Do not doubt for a second that he can win.  Perry is the most dangerous when we forget what we are up against.

        •  I am defintely... (1+ / 0-)
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          ..dismissing Perry.

          I am dismissing him as being capable of winning a presidential election going against Barack Obama.

          What's in peril here is your emotions & ability to reason:  Please get those in check.

          When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

          by wyvern on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 08:37:16 AM PDT

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      •  Two words: George Dubya (0+ / 0-)

        I'm glad you're fired up and shit, but discounting the chance that Perry has against Obama in this economic/political environment is really just delusional. Bush got elected not once, but twice. I wouldn't put anything past this electorate. This isn't real to a lot of them... it's reality tv.

        •  The dude called Social Security a monstrous lie. (4+ / 0-)
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          On camera.

          There's a reason that all the GOP establishment is lining up against the dude.

          On issues like that, the economic uncertainty may actually help Obama.

          During times like this, people are even more supportive of SS and medicare benefits. They'll support tweaks around the edges to make them more solvent. They won't support a candidate that appears not to believe in the very concept.

          Rick W. Perry will not be elected President in 2012.

    •  Every Tornado: "Obama's Katrina?" But Texas Fires (3+ / 0-)
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      .....did not bring the press leaping to hang the "Katrina" tag on Gov. Goodhair.

      There is still a honeymoon period in effect here.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 08:21:08 AM PDT

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