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  •  Because the GOP base likes Perry's position (4+ / 0-)

    If Romney thinks running to Perry's left will get him better numbers, he must not be paying attention to what the GOP has turned into. The hardcore conservatives don't like Social Security.

    On the other hand, in the general election, it will be more effective for Obama hit Perry on.

    25, Male, CA-24, DK Elections Black Caucus Chair.

    by DrPhillips on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 07:54:15 AM PDT

    •  I don't get it, (3+ / 0-)
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      why conservatives, not wealthy ones, but ordinary working folks, don't like Social Security. It may be the difference between Grandma able to stay in her own home, if she's frugal, and a dependent Grandma needing to live the rest of her life with younger relatives who are struggling themselves. Surely even low-info voters can understand that much. Does this appeal to them?

      •  cuz when they get their paycheck there's (4+ / 0-)

        that FICA deduction taken out and it's going to the giv-mint.

        That's why.

        they, like a 3 year old. are unable to connect the dots beyond what's immediately in front of them. "Hey! The govt took $77.53 out from my check! That's not right!"

        that's why.

        Now when they get old, and have nothing they'll be bitching about how they "paid into it and deserve it". Honestly. You can't try to figure it out. It's completely illogical.

        It's the difference between losing a fight and refusing one. (h/t Kossack james richardson)

        by mdmslle on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 08:24:46 AM PDT

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      •  they aren't converting ideology to logical outcome (3+ / 0-)
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        so they see no connection between killing off socialistic fdr stuff and their grandparents or themselves starving and not having any medical care. the whole attraction of ayn rand and the other mothers of right wing invention is that you can think that what you rant about and how you vote has no connection to your real life situation. it only matters that you are "winning" against some intergalactic battle with evil. very sad.

      •  it's not that they don't believe in it (3+ / 0-)
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        cassandracarolina, dinazina, LordMike

        I think it's that younger people think it's not going to be there for them when they get older anyway. They think it will go bankrupt ( thanks media)

         I argue with people all the time about it when they say "Why should I pay for it now when it won't be there when I get old?"  

        •  hahaha (2+ / 0-)
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          It definitely won't be there for them if they let Rick W. Perry take their money now to pay current beneficiaries and then end the program before they get to retire!

          Thats why you'll never get younger voters to vote to get rid of social security, in practice. Once you've hit 28, you've already been paying in for a number of years, and you're also contemplating your parents' retirement for the first time.

          There's a reason that the GOP leaders know they can't touch social security. There is no constituency for that position.

      •  They love Social Security, (3+ / 0-)
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        for themselves. They hate that it's wasted on undeserving, shall we say, 'urban' Americans.

        When they say they're against Social Security, they're not against good Social Security. They're against that other kind.

        It's the whole 'keep the gov't out of my Medicare' thing. You're thinking about this rationally but it's irrational.

        I actually think that 'Ponzi scheme' is pretty good framing for Perry, politically speaking. Ten bucks says he's gonna come out with a better (and completely insane) program, one that only rewards real, hard-working Murkins, not the bad coastal parasites.

        "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

        by GussieFN on Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 08:31:05 AM PDT

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