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  •  Argue that Obama's bill is already the compromise? (3+ / 0-)
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    teknofyl, Johnny Q, pot

    That's the argument they've been making on every major proposal he's made since the stimulus.

    It. Isn't. Working.

    As for the quote I used, in an attempt to make the point about Obama's insistance on revenue increases being a part of "balanced approach" in debt ceiling deal, I mistakenly attributed it to his comment to Cantor.

    Wanting Obama to fight for something isn't the same as wanting him to fight "for the hell of it".

    •  A lot of people want him to fight for hell of it (1+ / 0-)
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      Case in point, the timing of his jobs speech.  "Well, here he goes.  Caving again."  30 million people watched Obama's speech Thursday night so who cares?

      I'm sure people here want him to veto the parts of his bill GOP will pass.  Why?  What does it gain him?  Not leverage.

      Obama has (on the stimulus and others) presented the final deal as the compromise.  I'm suggesting he present his initial offer as the compromise and suggest the GOP passing parts of that and blocking others does not amount to another compromise but obstruction.

      •  You're wrong (0+ / 0-)

        Obama has (on the stimulus and others) presented his initial offering as the compromise. Then gave further ground, and called his final capitulation a compromise in order to save face.

        Huge. Fucking. Difference.

        And your point about the timing of the speech misses the mark completely and ignores context. Those of us who called it a cave wouldn't have done so in 2009 or 2010. It's not that it's a cave...its that it's another cave.

      •  A lot of people want them to stop trading things (0+ / 0-)

        away before the real negotiations begin.

        Until they're actually getting something in return, why surrender to a 'partial' position before the negotiations have really even begun.

        The pre-negotiation caving undermines the result.  

        Someone in a very expensive suit is at the front door and says he wants to foreclose on our democracy. Where should I tell him he can put his robosigning pen?

        by Into The Woods on Tue Sep 13, 2011 at 05:05:36 PM PDT

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