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  •  OK, but one question. (1+ / 0-)
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    Is NYC a liberal city?

    H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

    by Knarfc on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 09:38:40 AM PDT

    •  NYC isn't a monolith, it's a collection (6+ / 0-)

      of individual communities. This map, shows the concentration of conservative Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn. This was a voting bloc that got very fired up to send a message about gay marriage, Ground Zero Mosque and were led believe by Ed Koch that Weprin (and Obama) would be bad for Israel:

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      I've roughly drawn out where that community intersects with NY-9. See how relatively concentrated that community is in NY09? Weprin needed to win them over, or rally enough other Democratic leaning voters to overcome that voting bloc's opposition. He did neither.

      "A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead 

      by Scott Wooledge on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 11:03:41 AM PDT

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      •  Wow, nice map, thanks! (0+ / 0-)

        it's also worth pointing out, as I did in the diary, that the non-Jewish parts of the district (the arm extending northeast on your map) are also not exactly flaming liberals - Howard Beach, Mill Basin, Gerritsen Beach, you see a lot of "Archie Bunker" in those areas. They don't much care about Israel, or at least not in the same way, but they're not crazy about gay weddings or black presidents out there (Obama did not carry the Brooklyn part of the district in 2008).

        The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

        by sidnora on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 05:08:41 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah, Russian immigrants in Howard Beach (1+ / 0-)
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          Not a community on the cutting edge of progressive politics. Probably not even Democratic politics.

          "A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead 

          by Scott Wooledge on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 09:43:54 PM PDT

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          •  There are Russian immigrants in Howard Beach? (0+ / 0-)

            I did not know that. I guess things have changed out there. I was thinking of the Russian immigrants on Ocean Parkway. But Howard Beach has not been a bastion of progressivism for as far back as I can remember.

            The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

            by sidnora on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 02:04:07 PM PDT

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    •  It's worth noting for people (3+ / 0-)
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      out of state, that Brooklyn alone has 2.5 million residents by the 2010 census.

      This is more people than Rhode Island and Idaho combined, also according to the 2010 census.

      So asking if NYC (Population 8 million) is liberal is like asking if Colorado (Population 5 million) is liberal?

      Yes.

      And no.

      Depends on what part you're talking about. In aggregate NYC is probably more liberal than the national average on most issues. But still, there are many people who feel differently.

      "A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead 

      by Scott Wooledge on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 11:59:28 AM PDT

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      •  My question was if NYC was sufficiently liberal (1+ / 0-)
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        in the sense that did Weiner's more recent remarks and actions in the House make sense in terms of a future NYC mayoral candidacy or a primary for such.

        H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

        by Knarfc on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 03:07:37 PM PDT

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        •  Having resigned in disgrace (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't think he's going to be viable for mayor anytime soon (I mean ever). He can't really get his foot back into the electoral game, imo.

          I think had he stuck it out, he might have been mayor someday. But not 2013, the next cycle, which he had his eye on. But he probably could have been able to ride the incumbency machine back to the House in 2012.

          Maybe then he could have shot for mayor in 2017 or 2021 and people would have sufficiently forgotten the scandal, and supported him. I don't think it was a dealbreaker to 50% + 1 of New Yorkers per se. But such calculus is contingent on how the candidate plays it out, too.

          "A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead 

          by Scott Wooledge on Wed Sep 14, 2011 at 03:33:01 PM PDT

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