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  •  You have to understand that part of the problem (0+ / 0-)

    lies with the fact it is nearly impossible to fire gov't employees so you have these pieces of dead-wood who should have been gone twenty years ago causing endless mischief. We need dramatic Civil Service reform where workers must perform up to some minimal standards--it's not as hard as people think.

    •  I believe you mischaracterize (1+ / 0-)
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      the vast majority of federal employees.  Now if you are talking Congress, I might agree with you.

      •  I'm not saying that most are that way (0+ / 0-)

        but those that remain, in my experience, have cost the government a lot of money. It doesn't take many of these sorts of employees to cause a disproportionate amount of trouble--I've seen it happen on a number of contracts--I'm not just spouting off.

        •  I've seen deadwood (0+ / 0-)

          in private organizations as well, so a handful doesn't make the rule.   I most certainly support employee protections and some sort of process to legitimately review work before termination.

    •  MY employment in the USFS and what I observed (0+ / 0-)

      just is not represented by your post. Most employees were doing something they earned degrees for. And they were doing this work in an environment they wanted to be in. They were motivated, hard working and shared  a sense of doing a service in the communities they work in and to the country.

      The lazy government worker slur is just a card the thieving privatizers play to get their hands on our tax dollars. And you can see them doing it now with these lazy, thieving, money grubbing teachers. We are all being instructed to hate Miss Crabtree by good decent corporate and Wall St. patriots. And these people just want to help America in the worst way.  

      •  I'm not calling them lazy and they are a minority (0+ / 0-)

        what they are is incompetent. There isn't may of them, depending on the office, between one to five percent but who cause disproportionate amount of trouble from a budget point of view. I've seen it directly--decisions these people make cost the government a lot of money which makes matters worse. I've seen it in front of me and cleaned up a number of messes caused by incompetence particularly when incompetent gov't employees contract out work to people they are friendly with and don't supervise the work properly.

        As for thieving privatizers--yes, they're even worse.

        •  Your 2nd post is closer to my experience. (0+ / 0-)

          Those of us who have worked in government agencies have all seen what you describe. But I have also observed people trained up and mentored into successful employees who, in the private sector, would not have survived to achieve competence  in their job. The compact with government workers in America was though you were paid less than in the private sector, you would have job security and a dependable retirement.

          Corporations have undermined this arrangement by hammering private sector unions and driving down wages and benefits. Now that private sector jobs are often temporary and without benefits, the corporate class that did this is conning the people they robbed into blaming the public sector workers.  The largest group of middle class workers left with good benefits and pensions. And Unions to fight for them.

          It is a long con.

          •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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            In fact, it has been the growth of contracting that has made things far worse. In fact, I would recommend, from my experience (and it is pretty wide) contractors should be largely eliminated and a more flexible Civil Service Instituted perhaps a two-track system--one a permanent set of officials for jobs that are clearly permanent and the other a pool of people, like IT specialists that may be project-specific. Say if Labor needed a new procurement system they could just enlist the people that worked for DOD to set up their system (I've worked procurement so I see the disasters that contractors cause).

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