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  •  where I draw the lines: (9+ / 0-)

    Criticism of Israel is criticism of a nation-state: not anti-Semitic in and of itself.

    Derogatory stereotypes about Jews as an ethnic/religious group: anti-Semitic as hell, instant HR.

    Criticism of Jews as a voting demographic: borderline depending on what & how.

    For example, "The polls say that if Obama does X, then Y percent of Jews are more likely to vote Republican."  That's OK.    I can't think of a way to provide an example of a not-OK without using the nasty language so I'll skip that part.  

    •  What about things like media control? (0+ / 0-)

      Saying, truthfully, that the media would likely be overwhelmingly all over the President's ass if he didn't veto the Palestinian measure at the very least implies a "Jewish control" of the nation's media.

      That sort of statement, that President Obama would take a beating in the press for (insert perceived lack of support for Israel here), has been called anti-semitic, repeatedly, around here.

      "Blind cheerleading of the president will create jobs and get him to stop droning on and on about deficits no one cares about to the point that his numbers have tanked among independents?" - Markos Moulitsas 8/20/11

      by Rick Aucoin on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 10:23:32 AM PDT

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      •  Calling it "control" seems to go too far (1+ / 0-)
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        (if there's a meeting of Jews to decide what may or may not be said, I haven't been invited to it, and I presume that I would be invited!!!), but there's certainly an outsized influence.  One argument is that this tendency to see things through a lens of Israeli security exists because, well, it's clear that that's the right thing to do!  I find that unsatisfying.

        It's a nasty problem because I can easily see how talking about "Jewish control of" -- and maybe even "influence of Jews within" -- the media can foster some truly wacky and corrosive conspiracy theories.  On the other hand, refusing to note the number of Jews involved in the media seems to be such an overreaction that it may facilitate exactly the kind of conspiracy theorizing that it purports to oppose.

        In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

        by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 10:53:55 AM PDT

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