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  •  What, you don't like fruit salad? (2+ / 0-)
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    DemFromCT, DoGooderLawyer

    My understanding of your expressed position was that the Siena poll settled things: "the result wasn't about Israel."  The PPP poll -- and the knowledge of what Koch and Hikind were doing -- suggested otherwise.

    My guess is that for 80% of the voters, NY-09 wasn't about Israel.  For 20% it was -- and those 20% showed up in force and switched from D to R.  So the issue of Israel turned out to be decisive -- and the motive for raising the issue (against the likes of David Weprin?  Really?) were designed to send a resounding message to Democrats that failing to support Israel as much as Israel demanded to be supported would lead to electoral disaster -- which was duly and widely reported.

    You seemed to dismiss this with your "the Siena poll clearly showed Israel was not a factor."  If I misconstrued that, I apologize.  Usually, you and David Nir are extremely perspicacious analysts and I didn't read this as "one factor among many" but, as stated, "not a factor."  I (and you, and Nir) wish!  But, alas.

    In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

    by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 08:49:41 AM PDT

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    •  it was one factor among many (2+ / 0-)
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      Seneca Doane, DoGooderLawyer

      and was stated in reaction to "it's all about israel". it's not it's about a bunch of things as the siena poll showed clearly.

      if Obama had a 50% positive, the D wins. he was clser to 35% so no way the D wins.

      I didn't have a lot of time that night to stay on line, alas. Always makes you look ruder than you mean to be.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 08:53:57 AM PDT

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    •  Ps as a native New Yorker (1+ / 0-)
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      I have been ignoring Ed Koch for decades and I think most NYers do. In 2004 he backed Bush.

      He's everyone's cranky uncle, and generally gets an eye roll akin to the Donald.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 08:56:38 AM PDT

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      •  Would that you had more company (1+ / 0-)
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        Clem Yeobright

        in ignoring Ed Koch.  Yes, I remember what he did in 2004, the momzer.

        In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

        by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 09:27:21 AM PDT

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