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  •  The answer I think many would give is that (3+ / 0-)
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    the other examples you mention don't have a millennia-long history of persecution behind them, culminating, within the lifetime of many people here, in the Holocaust.

    I don't argue that this excuses anything one could do or say, but it's also not something to be dismissed lightly.  Jews are a minority and we have been viciously victimized over history, often by people rallying under a banner of opposing "Jewish power."  I completely understand the desire for sensitivity.  It is also, frankly, why "crying wolf" and lumping legitimate critics in with true anti-Semites enrages me.

    In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

    by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 09:50:38 AM PDT

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    •  I don't know what to think. (0+ / 0-)

      This is how I see your argument:

      We were oppressed and exterminated in the past, therefore, nobody should criticize our current efforts to achieve and use power, analyze how we use the power we have, or analyze the impact of our power.

      IMO, it's just not realistic.

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      by dfarrah on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 10:35:41 AM PDT

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      •  That's not my argument (1+ / 0-)
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        and I agree that it's not realistic.

        I do believe that some attenuated version of it -- less than "nobody should criticize or analyze us," but more than "believe any crazy thing you want about us" -- deserves attention and respect.

        In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

        by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 10:56:48 AM PDT

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      •  I took away a completely different (2+ / 0-)
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        message from this whole diary and thread, which only serves to point out the problem I believe SD was trying to get at.

        In some discussions people give offense. In others people take offense when none is offered. It's a problem and a threat to the exchange of ideas and the concept of free speech. Whatever new system of regulation is designed it is likely to degenerate into a new version of the old HR wars unless people take a moment to understand what they say will land on people differently. And for others to understand that the medium sometimes means people will not express themselves as clearly as they would like.

        I do not see anything in all this as a defense of Israel or Jewish anything. It's an example that serves as a vehicle to have a constructive conversation about how screwed up things can get. And it has been very enlightening. Thanks, SD.

        Improvement is change. Not all change is improvement.

        by ricklewsive on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 12:30:57 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't know what my "wildest" expectations were for this diary, but the quality of this comments section did exceed at least some of the friskier ones.

          In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

          by Seneca Doane on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 03:22:44 PM PDT

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