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    I overlapped with a lot of people who brought up Babylon 5.  You might enjoy taking a look at it, as there are very strong female characters throughout, both human and alien, and I think you would be surprised at the depth of the arc (which is laid out in the opening credits of each season) and some of the individual stories.  There also was an overall arc, across five seasons.

    The more I think about your argument, I find I am disagreeing more and more.  I am uncomfortable with putting Buffy in the same category of "prestige" television that would be reserved (in my mind) to major networks (i.e. CBS, ABC, NBC, later FOX, and the less-watched PBS; recently the cable networks have moved into that, and things like Mad Men have proven to have a broader impact than might have been possible ten years ago).   Buffy was always on an "extra" network (the WB), so it was never central or that influential -- I think his subsequent work has probably been more influential because he was successful with Buffy and he used that as a springboard to get into more mainstream venues.  But Buffy was a successful genre show, and was impactful within that context but not in the mainstream.  

    •  Prestige television was a reference to Marcotte's+ (1+ / 0-)
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      article. Almost none of the shows Marcotte mentions are network (Mad Men, Breaking Bad, etc.) So you might want to check out Marcotte's article as well as her follow-up post on her blog (which is where I think she actually calls it "prestige").

      However, I would absolutely, categorically reject the notion that genre cannot be prestige.

      Thousands of years ago the question was asked: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society. ~ Eugene V. Debbs

      by PlutocracyFiles on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 09:00:00 PM PDT

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      •  I will look at the article (0+ / 0-)

        I am not in any way saying that genre cannot be prestige, just arguing that Buffy was not particularly influential (sadly) and that was because it was on a peripheral network that had very limited spread (we couldn't get it where I live, for example, even on cable -- in contrast, we have always had AMC since its inception, back when it actually showed classic movies!).  

        I would say that Star Trek, for example, was influential for when it was,  And that is certainly a genre show.  But I am afraid I skipped over the idea of prestige being her term, not yours.  My apologies.  

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