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  •  nooo.. (0+ / 0-)
    Chris Hedges: isn't he someone who wrote an admiring work eulogizing and glorifying US armed invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan with the "War is the force that gives us Meaning"

    what chris hedges was describing was rightwing enthrallment with war. sheesh, hedges is anti war. he was describing people leading empty lives who suddenly found an issue that a community of like minded idiots can rally around. now, that pro war fervor has been supplanted by anti obama animus and the tea party's misleading agitation about the deficit.

    Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation…want rain without thunder and lightening...Power [including obama] concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. ~ Frederick Douglass

    by stolen water on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:05:35 PM PDT

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    •  he is is anti imperialistic (0+ / 0-)

      is probably more accurate.

      Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation…want rain without thunder and lightening...Power [including obama] concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. ~ Frederick Douglass

      by stolen water on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 06:21:34 PM PDT

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      •  It is not enough to be "anti imperialistic" (1+ / 0-)
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        in general. then one ends up supporting Quaddafi, Chavez, Castro as beacons of progress in this world. They are slightly better than outright thugs starting out, but as Mugabe and other long running tyrants demonstrate, eventually retaining total control for one's own family or tribe trumps everything else if there is no law or governing principle in place that empowers and educates  the population.

        Russia, China, even Iran is "anti imperialist". Does that mean that they take the people's side, take the efforts of the progressives and revolutionaries to remake their nation? No, it means they form a strategic alliance with anyone, regardless of behavior  if it suits  their policy, their economy to confront and compete with their rivals such as the European Union or NATO or the United States.  

            Just as USA supports unflinchingly a Saudi Arabia or an Israel based on strategic interests regardless of what misery it may cause, so do China and Russia do the same. That is precisely why they backed a Quaddafi, a Mugabe, a Chavez or the South Sudan's war criminal leader because there is a selfish interest such as access to oilfields in seeking favors/partnerships there.  

        The knock on Hedges is he can't see a way out of the dilemma of supporting a default option,  such as neo liberals with masks on who come under various guises, NGO's and banks to penetrate commingle and haul the target country back into the US orbit as opposed to some other arrangement.

        China withdrawing nearly 50,000 civilian construction workers and technicians and not being allowed to return and finish the projects would be a "win" for the Western interests. Now the Western based  multinationals  can substitute their companies and people for those who started.

              By rights, all these elements and all sorts of people who work in a transparent manner should be allowed to do legitimate work that enhances the quality of life for Libyans.

              Those that would like to, and can return, should.

              As opposed to the shills for Quaddafi, apologists for NATO, and those carrying an anti imperialist line identical to RussianTV or Hsinhua, genuine progressives are careful to point out who benefits, and how many parts of the complex  picture are an asset to Libya, not skipping over  noting the mercenary and commercial outfits attempting to reassert their presence there.

        •  real progressives don't give (1+ / 0-)
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          western liberal pundits who don't speak the language and aren't an expert on the culture a bigger voice than what libyan people themselves have to say.

          Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation…want rain without thunder and lightening...Power [including obama] concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. ~ Frederick Douglass

          by stolen water on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 12:32:50 PM PDT

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        •  the tnc reversed themselves. (1+ / 0-)
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          first, one member said they wouldn't consider russian or chinese contracts. but then they then came back and said everything would be on the table.

          smart negotiating tactics, if you ask me. narrowing the pool narrows your options.

          Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation…want rain without thunder and lightening...Power [including obama] concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. ~ Frederick Douglass

          by stolen water on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 12:35:57 PM PDT

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