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  •  Even some of the new charter schools -- those that (5+ / 0-)
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    are geared for the underclass -- seem to want to educate children for a specific job.  On the other hand, I don't think everyone wants to be a doctor or lawyer (what the young Ivy league yuppies who come to teach in the ghetto cause they can no longer get a job in management believe).  There has to be respect for all types of honest and necessary work in society -- and that is definitely missing.  Everyone should get the education they want and need.  We have to stop stereotyping.  I'm all for education -- I was the first in my family to go to college -- but many of the jobs that now require a college at great expense would be better taught through an apprenticeship program -- education has just become another capitalist commodity -- especially now that they are trying to privatize it.

    •  back when we were young (I cannot believe (4+ / 0-)
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      that I wrote that) there were high schools dedicated to teaching trades and not only those geared towards pushing kids into university. I think that these type of schools served an important and useful purpose; I am wondering why they were abandoned by the powers that be. Many kids do not want to go (or are lacking the skills for) university and their needs are not being met. Schools need to provide for the interests and skills of students and not the interests solely of employers; those would be schools that serve the needs of those attending them. I agree with T'pau that an examination of the discussion of education should be undertaken and would be a great diary. Now we need to get a volunteer for the diary.

      "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

      by NY brit expat on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:13:24 PM PDT

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    •  Why is it education is limited only to the young?- (3+ / 0-)
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      If education was truly important to our society, we would offer it all the time to anyone who wanted it. If you did not force people to go to school, we could probably even financially achieve this.

      You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. If a teenager doesn't want to sit in school and learn Algebra, fine. Let them go out a dig ditches for a while. When they are ready and attentive it will take a lot less time to teach them.

      With remote education and peer to peer teaching we could have a much more useful education system for the same cost as this one.

      De air is de air. What can be done?

      by TPau on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 05:34:50 PM PDT

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    •  My Theory: Everyone Should Have Manual Skills and (2+ / 0-)
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      Intellectual Training

      My 9 weeks of a typing class in 9th grade earned my living through college and law school.  This was coupled with the benefit of having excellent public school teachers from kindergarten up.  But the typing class actually still feeds me fifty years later.

      An auto mechanics or electrician/plumbing course would probably have fed me more opulently as I wended my way through college and law school, but those courses didn't exist in my high school, especially for girls.  Boys who wanted to learn those trade skills were shunted off into the local technical school which offered them, not girls, those programs, leaving the girls to beautician and culinary courses and  leaving the college bound kids with the good academic teachers.

      I'd vote for mandating the 12th grade of high school as a "Manual and Computer Skills" year, in which all kids would learn a trade and how to navigate electronic communications, repair hardware and write computer programs.

      One of the things I think our new, socialist economic system needs is citizens who are fully educated as whole persons, with minds and bodies.  

      Capitalism truncates human beings, allocating the vast majority to be mindless workers, cogs in a martially-run chain of production, while the chosen few get to use only their minds and not dirty their hands.

       We need to smash the notion that the vast majority are dumb and incapable of creative thinking, while the chosen, academically educated few make all the decisions about production and distribution, while the even fewer get to enjoy the majority of the profits..

      Workers cooperatives, at least those operating on the ideal Venezuelan model, do the thinking,  the labor and the owning and administering their cooperatives.   The worker as doer and thinker reunites the human qualites we all share, working and thinking together as a community, jointly determining what and how things are produced as well as where and how they are distributed, and how the profits are shared.

      Capitalism is an awful system, not only because it impoverishes the majority monetarily, but because in the very act of production it alienates man from himself, refuses to respect a worker's mind and creativity, while subjecting him to absolute external controls, be that of a human boss or a mechanical one that controls his every action.  

      We have to end this alienating, capitalist labor process. That is why it is not sufficient merely to re-distribute the profits of capitalism more equitably, we have to abolish a system whose end goal is making profits, not serving the needs and aspirations of live, breathing, thinking human beings.

      To create a new, human economic system, everyone must be educated to think and to do.

      Convict Bush, Cheney and their torture cabal. Support single-payer health care,unions, and WikiLeaks.

      by Justina on Sun Sep 18, 2011 at 09:45:54 PM PDT

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      •  I have always found it an interesting class (2+ / 0-)
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        distinction that people think there is no intellectual effort in manual work -- have they ever tried trouble shooting car repairs?  Do they know that those of us who come from craft families are sometimes amused as people who cannot fix anything themselves unless they can do it with a delete key?
        I totally agree with you, Justina.  I have personally found my favorite people are "cross class" who tend to value both types of labor.

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