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  •  Really? (5+ / 0-)
    And since this is a 95% white website, WE (white people) get to be the judge. As long as we maintain White Unity, we'll win such "discussions". Literally. Every. Time.

    And this from the grandmaster's diary, no less (and that got a direct response from him):

    It's a safe bet that people here WANT (2+ / 0-)

    the site to be even whiter than it was previously.

    Without those dratted black folks disagreeing, there's nothing to get in the way of us nice, clean notracistneverracist liberal congratulating each other on how notracistneverracist we are!

    Moral: To people here, what you describe isn't a bug, it's a FEATURE.


    Justified anger does not grant you unrestricted license.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 07:00:26 AM PDT

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    •  Well, the white unity was a bit extreme.... (16+ / 0-)

      ...but the whole comment can't be merely dismissed as 'dickish'

      As for previous comments made elsewhere. I'm not going to go the route of digging up previous histories to discredit a commenter. I think that's the new guidelines, and I'm trying to stick to them.

      "It is only for the sake of those without hope that hope is given to us." Walter Benjamin. More sane debate on the Moose

      by Brit on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 07:03:36 AM PDT

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    •  How old are those comments? (0+ / 0-)
    •  While you are attempting (3+ / 0-)
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      to apply the current rule of law as handed down by -Moses- kos you need to be recall that he condemned dredging up the past, whether recent or distant, in order to provide kindling for pie fights in the present is deemed dickishness as well...

      Before you call yourself weighing someone else in the balance you need to make sure that you are not found wanting yourself. What you are attempting to do has nothing to do with this diary... so what you are attempting to do to punditician is stalking... you are carrying whatever beef you had in another thread to an unrelated thread solely for the purpose of making an attack on his person.

      Check ya'self before you wreck ya'self; the person you get banned very well may be you...

      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

      by awesumtenor on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:50:59 AM PDT

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      •  Be VERY carefeul about making accusations of (4+ / 0-)

        stalking.  First, what you describe is not the DKos definition of stalking.  Second, accusations of stalking are to be brought to admins, NOT made in comment threads.

        Here's the scoop on stalking:

           Thread stalking is defined as having three requirements:

                On multiple occasions, one or more commenters follow a community member into diary threads; and,
                The commenter(s) posts comments that include false information, personal attacks, lies, or implied/express disclosure of private information; and
                The commenter(s) engages in this conduct with the intent to harass, harm, humiliate, frighten or intimidate another poster. This intent may be inferred from the number of times that the commenter follows a community member into threads and/or the nature of the comments posted.

                Stalking does not include the mere expression of disagreement, seeking out diaries or comments of favorite diarists or simply frequent interaction on the boards.

                Accusations of stalking should not be made on comment threads but emailed to Meteor Blades or another administrator together with relevant links to evidence that comports with the requirements cited above. Repeated accusations of stalking in the comment threads will lead to a suspension of posting privileges.

        Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

        by kbman on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 12:42:36 PM PDT

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        •  The poster in question (1+ / 0-)
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          has 2 legs of a 3 legged stool... just from what is seen in this diary...having made personal attacks with the arguable intent of harrassing/harming/humiliating/frightening/intimidating another poster...

          As such he doesn't have a whole lot of wiggle room.. particularly since he came into this diary after doing other things kos has already said need to stop and using those things as a basis for saying his target needed to be banned.

          Even if one were to take his complaint as 100% accurate and valid... if you have to do wrong to highlight wrong, perhaps you need to rethink your methods because the ends don't justify the means.

          They never have.

          Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

          by awesumtenor on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 01:38:02 PM PDT

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          •  What above do you feel is open to debate? (1+ / 0-)
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            Repeated accusations of stalking in the threads is grounds for losing posting privileges.  If you wish to warn the commenter then do so via KosMail, not in the comments.  If you believe the conditions are met for an accusation then take your evidence to the admins - period.  

            Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

            by kbman on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 02:45:52 PM PDT

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            •  i have made no accusation (0+ / 0-)

              I made an observation. I am sure you are intelligent enough to know the difference. I am no particular friend or foe of either of the parties and had the roles been reversed my replies would have been no different.

              Now can those inclined toward ad hominem take it elsewhere so the rest of us can continue with discussing the diary?

              Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

              by awesumtenor on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 06:43:56 PM PDT

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              •  Excuse me? (0+ / 0-)

                "Now can those inclined toward ad hominem take it elsewhere so the rest of us can continue with discussing the diary?"

                I posted in response to your claims of stalking and your doubling down in the following comment.  It was not any form of ad hominem attack, it was making clear what constituted stalking and how it should be handled.  Your characterization of it as anything other than that is simply self-righteous bullshit.

                Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

                by kbman on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 08:05:03 PM PDT

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                •  you keep trying to make this about me (0+ / 0-)

                  it's not. Never has been.

                  BTW... I have yet to say anything about you; how you could presume otherwise given the context of the exchange is beyond me.

                  I'm done here; feel free to continue without me.

                  Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

                  by awesumtenor on Tue Sep 20, 2011 at 06:58:50 AM PDT

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