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  •  Well said and well supported. (4+ / 0-)
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    ohmyheck, Agathena, Seamus D, 4kedtongue

    I'm reading a few comments today, just a few.  It looks as though some posters have picked up right where they left off.  Contrived narratives which, when challenged, lead down the rabbit hole (even as one is forced to repeat one's simple point over and over), complete with other team members jumping in, ad hominems, red herrings, etc.  It's all back alive and well on dkos today.

    No ground must be yielded.  It must be insisted that no awful things were said on Motley Moose about kos, dkos, or other kossacks, except the one that is totally excusable because some kossacks should be given a pass of they are "angry."  I did a little reading at MM over the week.  I saw many hateful things said there directed at various aspects and particular members of the community here.  TPV was much worse, but that's hardly news.  I have seen no expression of contrition anywhere from previous enthusiastic supporters of banned members whose long horrendous history of hateful commentary is more than reason to explain their bannings, at least from any reasonable and decent human being.  Instead, I see the usual denials and red herrings.  Most popular of all is to claim racism.

    No, the polarity must continue, with one side never having done or said anything worthy of criticism while the other side must have been wrong about everything.  Forget nuanced reasoning.  Forget history.  Forget evidence.  Hell, forget the meanings of words.  Very difficult to see how this behavior could spring from an actual desire to work effectively together, from a devotion to what is best for the site as a whole.  What I keep hearing is what I heard as the message of the boycott--some people will insist that their narrative be the dominant one or they will do what they can to destroy the site.

    I have no heart for this anymore.  So what, good Dr., if you manage to "win" this thread for the rational readers.  You have still spent your time dealing with liars and obfuscators rather than addressing the real problems of the nation.  To me, that means that my side is losing, because my side is anyone who is interested in dealing with real issues, in treating allies with respect even in disagreement, in honoring the meanings of words and the reality that is put in evidence.

    Wouldn't it be great if you could make something be true just by saying it? Wouldn't that be a magical marshmallow world?

    by geomoo on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 01:07:27 PM PDT

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    •  This is a heroic comment (3+ / 0-)

      ...and it must be tough to be the one of the few people on this thread who believes in truth, decency or justice.

      But please... where in any of this is the subject of the diary: i.e. how people react to accusations of racism?

      I'm more than happy to discuss the many issues that you raise, but they are so vast and general, I think you ought to write a diary of your own so I can understand them.

      "It is only for the sake of those without hope that hope is given to us." Walter Benjamin. More sane debate on the Moose

      by Brit on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 01:47:10 PM PDT

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      •  When in doubt, turn to ad hominem. (2+ / 0-)
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        Agathena, Seamus D

        This part strikes me as funny.

        I'm more than happy to discuss the many issues that you raise

        You can go on to working the rest of the room, Brit.  You and I won't be "discussing" anything further at this time.

        Wouldn't it be great if you could make something be true just by saying it? Wouldn't that be a magical marshmallow world?

        by geomoo on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 02:44:01 PM PDT

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        •  Really. I've dealt with every comment here (1+ / 0-)
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          ...with respect and civility. It's hardly an ad hominem to point out that your comment, which suggests Western Civilisation and Enlightenment values will collapse as a result of my diary, is unanswerable and profoundly off topic.

          But write a diary about it, and I shall be there, answering your points in substance.

          "It is only for the sake of those without hope that hope is given to us." Walter Benjamin. More sane debate on the Moose

          by Brit on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 03:02:28 PM PDT

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          •  If I thought you were serious, (2+ / 0-)
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            Seamus D, 4kedtongue

            I would ask you to read my comment again.  I talk about behavior of a very small group of people.  I did not say how important or effectual they might be.  No mention of collapse of anything.  One thing I'll grant you, you are consistent in your word twisting, even in a thread whose point is that you twist words.

            As to respect and civility, we could debate whether twisting people's words counts as disrespectful.  But I do appreciate that you are almost always careful to protect your image as a thoughtful, reasonable person.  The devil is in the details.

            No, there'll be no diary.  I responded to the good Dr. Bloodaxe because I appreciated his accurate naming of what happened in this very thread.  I enjoy clarity of thought even when I expect such clarity to have no appreciable on the person to whom it is addressed.

            Wouldn't it be great if you could make something be true just by saying it? Wouldn't that be a magical marshmallow world?

            by geomoo on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 04:24:04 PM PDT

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