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  •  Not enturely the DoD (10+ / 0-)

    At the last minute, O'Connell got the State Dept and some other stuff counted as "defense cuts."  I hope Hillary shows him what an unpleasant scenario that could be for him, but still, not good.

    •  Huge lobbying effort by group (3+ / 0-)
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      sherlyle, aufklaerer, 2laneIA

      "Second to None"  that we must push back against.

    •  more than that (2+ / 0-)
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      the drawdowns of the wars, VA benefits, and foreign aid are all counted as "defense cuts" for the triggers.

      moreover, the republicans get to decide what gets cut int he triggers (since they control the committees) so we are not going to like the triggers at all.

      •  No. Wrong. (3+ / 0-)
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        If you are referring to the $1.2-$1.5 Trillion in cuts that will happen if the Joint Committee cannot agree, or, if they do agree, Congress does not agree, then wrong.

        The agreement that ended the debt ceiling brouhaha empowers the President, and the president alone!, to make specific cuts, so long as 1/2 are from defense spending and the other half from the rest of the budget, with Social Security, Medicare, Veterans benefits, Medicaid and a few others specifically, BY LAW, exempted.

        The GOP agreed to this on the theory they will get to blame Obama for unpopular cuts ("Soft on Defense", etc.).
        But if the President is simply executing the will of Congress and Congress has given him the discretion....well then I don't see any need for Darryl Issa's district to get that army base appropriation, do you? After all, several other California bases will get THEIR money, (even more than they asked for!) so the state won't be hurt, will it?

        Senator Jefferson Davis Longstreet Lee Beauregard Jackson Stuart Sessions III of Alabama might find funding for rockets at Huntsville, AL eliminated. But by golly several federal bridge projects the Congressional Black Caucus has identified in Alabama might be getting a boost..

        Louis "Gollum" Gohmert might be less than thrilled to discover that federal emergency funds to help his Texas district overcome wildfires....just, somehow, isn't available (although it might well be in certain other Texas districts, ya know....). Good thing none of Gohmert's constituents believe the government CAN or SHOULD do anything at all (except leave guns alone, fight wars without taxes, and stop abortions).

        The lock and dam upgrade in Paul Ryan's Wisconsin District? Wouldn't you know the Army Corps of Engineers has been directed by the Commander in Chief to work on something else, like in Bernie Sander's Vermont...

        And people living in Michele Bachmann's 6th Congressional district might need to drive over to Keith Ellison's 5th district to get those federal flu shots. Somehow there just wasn't enough vaccine to go around all of Minnesota...and who would want a "government injection" for their ailing grandmother anyway?

        So NO, the republicans who control the committees do NOT get to decide what gets cut in the triggers. That power was specifically granted to the President.



        "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

        by WineRev on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 10:51:47 AM PDT

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        •  interesting (1+ / 0-)
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          but I've seen otherwise:

          "There's no breakdown that defines which of these agencies get what, so there's no way to be sure that all the cuts would come from "defense."

          Moreover, the spending caps are split between "security" and "non-security" discretionary spending only for fiscal 2012 and fiscal 2013. After that, the spending caps don't make any distinctions between budget accounts. In the end, the actual fiscal 2012 spending numbers will be set by congressional appropriators in the House and the Senate, hopefully before the fiscal year ends on Sept. 30."

        •  and the triggers (1+ / 0-)
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          DO have 2% cuts to Medicare on the provider-side.

          •  On this (1+ / 0-)
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            NO cuts in benefits. Given the size of the Medicare program and what various nurses and doctors tell me when they deal with Medicare billing issues, yes, there is 2% slop that can be cut.

            Otherwise, we have been found out by the Larouche-ites! They know what Obama is REALLY doing

            Only Months to Go!

            ....I think....   :-)


            "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

            by WineRev on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 12:47:01 PM PDT

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