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    In an open ended poll, if people were actually thinking about the deficit, they would have said so.

    "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

    by Orinoco on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 11:37:09 AM PDT

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    •  How can you say that? Maybe they really don't (0+ / 0-)

      understand "deficit" or just equate it in their mind.  Most people do not really think about this stuff in much of a nuanced way.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 05:53:19 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe they don't get 'deficit' (0+ / 0-)

        but I'm pretty sure that most people, even those low information voters we despair of reaching, know what a job is, and know whether they and their friends have them or not.

        I'd venture to say, without polling, that people clearly understand the difference between a good job with decent pay and benefits, and a crappy, low pay part time job where they are made to feel lucky to have even that.

        So when people tell a pollster they are concerned about jobs, I'm inclined to take them at their plain-spoken word.

        If 'deficits' are not showing up on the radar of people who don't think about these things in a nuanced way, there is probably a reason for it. Let's apply Occam's razor: people don't think deficits are important because... that's what they think.

        "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

        by Orinoco on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 06:23:30 PM PDT

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        •  I wasn't talking about people understanding jobs. (0+ / 0-)

          And I haven't a clue what you are talking about with respect to deficits, no disrespect intended.

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 08:19:57 PM PDT

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          •  Fair enough (0+ / 0-)

            I could make a similar argument about 'economy,' and since the main diary was about jobs/economy high on everyone's list, 'deficit' not so much, I substituted one for the other.

            Occam's Razor refers to a logical concept, basically, when a simple explanation covers all the facts, use the simple explanation instead of a more complicated explanation. Don't invent hypotheticals and possibilities to add needless complexity to a straightforward line of reasoning.

            So applying Occam's razor means to take the poll at face value, rather than look for nuances or invent possible misunderstandings that could change its meaning.  

            "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

            by Orinoco on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 09:24:37 PM PDT

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            •  I know about Occam's razor. The problem with (0+ / 0-)

              the principle is that sometimes, if not often, one can cut their own throat with it.  Another principle, although I don't think there is a name for it, is to consider alternative explanations.  It's something I've been trained to do as a scientist.

              The good thing about the poll was that it was open ended.  The bad thing is that it was open ended, which can leave open what people mean by their responses.  So it's an empirical question: would you get the same result if you gave people the same choices based on what others identified in the open ended poll.

              The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

              by accumbens on Tue Sep 20, 2011 at 05:48:35 AM PDT

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