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  •  Oh boy... (10+ / 0-)

    Let me prefice this:

    1) I've been arrested more than once, including twice at anti war protests. I know it is not a pleasant experience and cops are not always angels.

    2.) I fully support #OccupyWallStreet

    That said, I don't think the police did anything wrong here. The protesters were resisting arrest. I did not see any excessive use of force.

    There is something noble about getting arrested for civil disobedience. Screaming, cussing people out, going limp and whining that your handcuffs are too tight (hint- they will ALWAYS be too tight) is not part of that.

    Sorry, I think this actually makes the protesters look bad. I kind of hope it doesn't go viral.  

    (Don't shoot the messanger!)

    •  I kinda see your point, but (8+ / 0-)

      I think it is necessary to create the "Shock and Awe" (Pardon my Bushism) to wake people up that they don't have freedom, not if the banksters have any say.

      That being said, I just wanted to say that even though you are sorta new to DKos, your becoming one of my faves.

      Peace

      Hating Obama is the only thing Republicans are good at

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Sep 20, 2011 at 02:39:50 PM PDT

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      •  Absolutely (9+ / 0-)

        we do need to create that shock and awe...just not sure if this is the vehicle. I hope these protests grow and grow to the point where they can no longer be ignored- I'm just afraid that seeing things like this will turn people off, and the message will be lost.

        One thing I really liked about the Tar Sands protests was how dignified they were- they dressed up in suits and ties, they were civil, they went there for the express purpose of being arrested to make a statement. I think that's so powerful. I would really like to see more of that. I am planning on going to Wall Street this weekend if I can get off work and bringing my daughter. But I have to be honest, seeing stuff like this makes me wonder if that's a bad idea.

        Tahrir Square didn't become Tahrir Square in one day...it was small at first, and it grew as people saw their friends and neighbors out there, fighting for their freedom (to take another Bush-ism, lol) The thing that made it so powerful was that so many people, from every walk of life, were out there together.

        I hope that this turns into that. I really think it could. But people need to be patient.

        Thank you, BTW. You are one of my favorites here too :)

    •  I hear ya. Support entirely, too. (4+ / 0-)
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      It doesn't look like they were too "brutal" to me, but there sure were a lot of them on that one guy! We've definitely seen worse in the name of "obstruction" or "resisting arrest." Some of the arrests didn't seem so clear-cut, though, like the guy who was just talking on the bullhorn.

      Now we have federal, state, and local cops trained by "Homeland Security" and vastly "improved" weapons. I'm just hoping it doesn't get worse. But there was a false report of someone being killed earlier on twitter, and someone posted "Every revolution needs martyrs!"

      I posted video on this thread somewhere from Chicago 1968, so people could compare and come to their own conclusions.

      It's got to stay non-violent to work, and I wonder if that's possible.

      Meteor Blades: "Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe."

      by cotterperson on Tue Sep 20, 2011 at 03:08:48 PM PDT

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    •  SJ, I've got to agree with MoT on this one. (7+ / 0-)

      These folks may not be model arrestees, but it's still kinda disturbing watching people being dragged and manhandled for being at a demonstration. And we have no idea what, if anything these folks did to get arrested in the first place.
        And there's this report from AoT, who is on scene and has a diary currently up on the Rec list:

      the protester that was attacked and arrested by the NYPD not only lost a tooth, but also had an asthma attack during the arrest.  The police denied a medic access to him to administer medicine.  He thankfully was given medicine when another medic ignored the police orders and crawled over to give medicine.  A number of other people were injured in the illegal police attack.  At least one of the other protesters arrested has been released.
      And BTW, I agree with MoT on the quality of your posts as well.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Tue Sep 20, 2011 at 03:19:29 PM PDT

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      •  I'm with you (4+ / 0-)
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        The police can no doubt find "legal" ways to arrest people, but I'm not at all certain there was any reason to arrest any of them. The only thing I can tell is the one guy was sitting on a tarp that the police wanted to confiscate, and there is some debate as to whether the police had the right to confiscate the tarp. In any case, what is their motivation? It seems clear that there is not any real motivation to "keep the peace" here, but to find ways to "legally" harass the protesters without drawing too much negative attention to themselves. They're NYC PD, they're smart with crowd control, I've seen and felt it a number of times first hand. It seems the motivation for going after the tarp may also have been that it was covering electronic equipment used to get the message out. The cops do not want this thing to grow because Bloomberg does not want this thing to grow. They want it to fizzle out, and they're going to do everything they can to push it in that direction, particularly by being a constant irritant to the people there.

        (-8.38, -8.00) No one could have foreseen...

        by hyperstation on Tue Sep 20, 2011 at 08:04:08 PM PDT

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    •  The (1+ / 0-)
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      protestors were on private property.

    •  They were arrested for standing in the way (3+ / 0-)
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      When the police were trying to steal and damage our equipment.it is no vice, nor is it violent! To resist the illegal and immoral actions of the police.

      I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

      by AoT on Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 03:46:41 AM PDT

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