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    But they'll have trouble attracting higher quality scholars.

    “If you think I can be bought for five thousand dollars, I'm offended." Rick Perry.

    by Paleo on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 02:05:40 PM PDT

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    •  they are all higher quality scholars (7+ / 0-)

      there is maybe 1 academic job opening for every 10 or more people coming out of the PhD / postdoc system.  So anyone who gets any faculty job is already of the highest quality.

      •  That's true. But the point about (0+ / 0-)

        "highest quality" still stands. I'll use my field as an example. Florida State is ranked just outside the top 25, and they are desperate to move up in the rankings. Really desperate. So they throw tons of resources into trying to poach top scholars from higher-ranked programs.

        You could argue that it's not really that important in the greater scheme of things whether they are #27 or #17. But, for whatever reason, it's extremely important to them (and they're certainly not the only PhD-granting public university who plays this game).

        With every goddess a let down, every idol a bring down, it gets you down / but the search for perfection, your own predilection, goes on and on and on. . .

        by cardinal on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 02:23:04 PM PDT

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      •  Not all of them. (1+ / 0-)
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        Paleo referenced FSU Econ above.  And, as an FSU Econ grad, I can assure you there are plenty of people who are only employed because older ones insulate them.  That department -- and I'm sure there are others -- is a mix of very bright professors and sub-human organisms.

        Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

        by Drew J Jones on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:37:17 PM PDT

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        •  Isn't that true of every organization (5+ / 0-)

          in the world? I certainly have some colleagues I don't respect a whole lot, but I had more when I worked in the food service industry.

          I just don't think the existence of mediocre employees has to do with tenure. If so, why are there so many mediocre physicians? Why are there so many politicians and advertising writers who suck so badly at their jobs? People are often not great at their work, but they continue to do it for pay and many even rise to the top.

          Merit is a tricky concept all around. Ain't no way to guarantee it in any walk of life.

          •  I don't think it's tenure. (1+ / 0-)
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            I was just disagreeing with the point that they're all higher-level.

            On the whole, I think universities are more successful than other organizations.  I can go to school in Florida, Iowa, Montana, New York -- and if it's a big state school, I can be confident that I'll get a good education.

            We don't do K-12 so well in the US, but our unis are amazing.  I say that as someone who went to FSU for undergrad work, then did grad school in England.  The English one was a Top 5 economics grad school, and they were teaching things I'd already learned as a junior at a school known primarily for football.  It wasn't even close.

            Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

            by Drew J Jones on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:15:33 PM PDT

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        But, yes, I generally agree.  The system does a pretty good job of weeding out morons.

        Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

        by Drew J Jones on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:49:52 PM PDT

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