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  •  That's just absurd (1+ / 0-)
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    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 07:35:04 AM PDT

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    •  Did you just HR for disagreement? (3+ / 0-)
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      Sure looks like it.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:03:22 AM PDT

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      •  Apparently blue didn't get the point Markos (1+ / 0-)
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        was trying to make.

        I'ma send off this HR abuse to the head honcho for his thoughts.

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        by SJerseyIndy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:06:16 AM PDT

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        •  Nor did you. Re-read those guidelines. (7+ / 0-)

          "1) The "guest in someone's house" rule

          Walking into someone's diary is like walking into someone's home. You are a guest. Act accordingly. That doesn't mean you can't disagree. It just means you have to be civil and courteous and limit your arguments to substance."

          I didn't see any substance here beyond an attempt to start a flame war with Obots on Senator Sanders living room floor. That is you not only made a personal attack on the President, that I guess is fair game you also tried to take it up a notch with "But it's interesting how a partisanship can cause others to put their principles aside."

          I don't think a blanket condemnation of half of the community as being un-principled is quite what Markos had in mind with the follow up rule 3) in summary: 'don't be a dick'.

          Before trying to stir up a shit storm with the 'head honcho' you might want to think about who will be coming away with the smelly boots.

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          by Bruce Webb on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:37:08 AM PDT

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          •  Something tells me Bernie Sanders... (4+ / 0-)
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            would not agree with Obama on this issue.

            It might be his last diary:
            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            Where he says as much.

            Ho-hum.

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            by SJerseyIndy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:26:41 AM PDT

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          •  So, what you're saying is that criticism (3+ / 0-)
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            even if presented in a civil fashion (no name-calling) constitutes "an attempt to start a flame war with the Obots"? That's just creepy. This is like "if you can't say something nice, say nothing at all"...here's an idea, why don't we refrain from discussing politics? That's always been the easiest way to avoid arguments in polite society (snark)...

            Seriously, though, if our "community" is so thin skinned that we can't take a comment like that one (and I am not endorsing the view expressed, only the right to express it), then we're in a bad way.

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35:23 AM PDT

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            •  One wonders where the HR brigade... (2+ / 0-)
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              clearly itching to dish out HRs under the "new rules" were to HR Bernie for saying pretty much the same thing in his last diary.

              Then one considers perhaps old grudges die hard...

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              by SJerseyIndy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:16:02 PM PDT

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              •  Reading comprehension is your friend here (0+ / 0-)

                Read rule one over:

                1) The "guest in someone's house" rule

                Walking into someone's diary is like walking into someone's home. You are a guest. Act accordingly. That doesn't mean you can't disagree. It just means you have to be civil and courteous and limit your arguments to substance.

                Now, this doesn't mean that diarists (and yes, they are still diarists until a future revision that won't come until early next year at the earliest) can keep out all detractors and critics. If Diarists want a debate-free zone, they start a Blogspot site and turn off comments. Writers on this site have to be able to tolerate critics. But it does mean that those critics can't act like dicks.

                If you wonder into an open house party on your block and find out that your host is voicing opinions you don't agree with, you can walk out. There really is no need to announce your departure with "THIS PARTY SUCKS AND YOU ARE THE SUPIDZ" Which is what HR'ing the poster as opposed to a commenter is.

                And dragging in comments by the poster from previous posts to make a jusftication for current behvaior gets you a little close to this from 3) Dickish Behavior

                Some examples: Going back to hidden comments and pulling stuff out that's six months old. People are allowed to have an off-day without having it rubbed in their face in perpetuity. Stalking. Hijacking other people's diaries by dragging in meta fights from outside. Ad hominem attacks. You guys get the picture.:

                I am not saying that this conduct rose to the point of a clear violation not am I really in the habit of getting this meta. Just pointing out the old adage about casting out the beam in your own eye before pointing out the mote in others. Third parties maybe not quite seeing things in the same black and white fashion you are.

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                by Bruce Webb on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:43:59 PM PDT

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            •  'Unprincipled' is name calling (0+ / 0-)

              it fully equates to 'liar'.

              And you can be sure if he didn't have a "D" after his name and was saying these things, he'd be getting pilloried by this side of the aisle mercilessly.

              But it's interesting how a partisanship can cause others to put their principles aside.

              That is not substance and it certainly isn't civil. Instead it was a call out to half the community in support of a previous attack on Obama that itself was a pure assertion of opinion and not particularly related to the subject of the post.

              I don't know of any party I have ever been to when a drive-by shooting was excused on First Amendment grounds.

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              by Bruce Webb on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:32:19 PM PDT

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        •  please do (0+ / 0-)

          and we'd like to see what else you will come up with to try to derail this thread. This should be entertaining. Well, at least I hope your attempts improve. the first two are pretty weak.

          "Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government" T. Jefferson

          by azureblue on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:00:05 AM PDT

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        •  Markos makes alot of points (0+ / 0-)

          including this one:

          http://www.dailykos.com/...

      •  Not going to debate the merits (1+ / 0-)
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        Not deserving of the effort. I know dickish when I see it.

        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:56:44 AM PDT

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    •  What part? (0+ / 0-)

      Whatever it is, I'm certain it's not more absurd than your abusive pastry sent to the moderator.

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      by SJerseyIndy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:23:44 AM PDT

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