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  •  Republican facts tend to be like zombies (3+ / 0-)
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    Ckntfld, GAladybug, Sychotic1

    though. No matter how many times a Republican fact is debunked, it springs back to life again, and again, and again.

    •  It's because they're nice dreams (4+ / 0-)
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      It would be great if things worked that way.

      Nobody would ever lose anything due to illness, or lose a job they were qualified for and good at. Nobody would ever buy a house that lost value, everybody who wanted a job could find one, and you'd take home all your salary.

      And nobody would get anywhere because of nepotism, or favoritism, or anything other than their own skill and hard work.

      They want utopia. Unfortunately, we're stuck with earth, populated with very flawed humans.

      •  Conservatism, fundamentally... (7+ / 0-)

        involves a rosy-eyed oversimplification of how the real world works. They simply ignore inconvenient facts that would require them to modify their overly simplistic moral and theoretical model of how the world works. You may be able to temporarily get through to some of them by pointing out conflicting data, but they end up dropping that complicating information from their memory banks because they are, at their core, intellectually and morally lazy. They simply don't want to put the effort in that is required to actually understand how things work in the real world. Conservative theories are appealing to them because they distill things down into an easily understood package that doesn't take much intellectual effort to understand.

        Conservatism is really all about a quest for idealistic purity of theory, and at its base is fundamentally a form of emotional cowardice. They forget, or never understood, that theories are worthless unless they actually account for all the inconvenient facts that actually exist in the record. I believe that the kind of person who is attracted to conservatism is the type that is emotionally unable to deal with conflict, nuance, or dynamic structures in society. They are literally terrified of thinking and the idea that they don't and can't know everything, and so they run to oversimplifying theories that allow them to pretend like they DO know everything and CAN know everything. Then they attack others who disagree with their utopian ideals as being the true problem: after all, their fatally flawed theories would work IF ONLY all the dirty liberals, poor people, minorities, and so on would just assume their place and stop agitating against the wonderful, beautiful society we already have. Then there would be no conflict, and everything would be perfect, in their minds.

        •  This is a great insight (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm always trying to figure out the psychology behind things, especially economics, and delving into the psychology of conservatives is a fascinating exercise (although most of us only have speculation and anecdotal evidence to work with). I think your comment could be fleshed out into a diary, well worth a deeper analysis.

          "If you've heard this story before, don't stop me, because I'd like to hear it again." Groucho Marx

          by Ruh Roh on Wed Sep 28, 2011 at 12:38:49 PM PDT

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          •  Maybe I'll do that. (6+ / 0-)

            One of the things that I've been mulling over lately is that American conservatism seems to be increasingly taking a turn towards being more of a psychology than an actual coherent ideology. I've noticed that they've become very malleable in their actual concrete policy goals and positions, and increasingly are subordinating the accomplishment of policy objectives to just "winning" power at all costs. I believe that this is a key hallmark of extreme authoritarian ideologies both historically and today, and that the Republican Party might be at a bit of a tipping point on what kind of faction they're going to be in the future. Are they going to be a participant in a democratic political debate, or are they going to make it their goal to destroy our democracy if it doesn't give them the power they crave?

            I'm churning a few of these ideas around, and I'll try to organize them. Thanks.

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