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  •  Um. Only *two* September women? (14+ / 0-)

    Lily Tomlin and Grandma Moses (whose real name, I hasten to point out, was Anna Mary Robertson Moses... yes, yes, I got mega points in a Knowledge Bowl back in the day for knowing this factoid—but I digress).... I mean, I love 'em both... but in a field of 15, there are only two women notable (or drink-worthy) enough to be included in today's poll? (I realize, oh BiPM, that you probably aren't the originator of this male-heavy compilation, but geez lou-frickin'-ouise.)

    Jeers to women and their achievements being overlooked and underappreciated yet again. (Spending my first 40 years as an active moron mormon should have acclimatized me to this sort of thing, but No-o-o-o-o.)

    OK, rant over. I... forgive you.
    Cheers to you all — women as well as men — from Upper Provence.

    Just because it's made up doesn't mean it isn't true.—Plan 10 from Outer Space

    by mofembot on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 06:33:28 AM PDT

    •  Nope. That's 100% my poll. (13+ / 0-)

      I should've had more women on it, and I'll keep that in mind next time.  But there was no deliberate snub here, I assure you.

      These polls seem really easy when i start 'em, and then the balancing act comes in---athletes, politicians, historical figures, entertainers, writers, men, women, minorities, etc.  And only 14 slots.  Always takes me way more time than I think it will.

      I should probably start compiling the October birthday poll now.

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    •  I noticed the I did not make the list, despite (7+ / 0-)

      being a Virgo

      I'm not a complete idiot - some parts are missing.

      by Civil Writes Activist on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 07:00:34 AM PDT

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    •  /sigh (6+ / 0-)

      I hate my name being taken in vain.

      "Them as can do has to do for them as can't. And someone has to speak up for them as has no voices." — Terry Pratchett

      by LoreleiHI on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 07:59:41 AM PDT

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    •  More September Babies of the XX Persuasion (8+ / 0-)

      Agatha Christie
      Margaret Sanger (basically invented Planned Parenthood)
      Victoria Woodhull (womens' rights activist; first American woman to run for President)
      June Foray (voice actress; she was everyone from Rocky the Flying Squirrel to Cindy Lou Who to that creepy Twilight Zone doll Talky Tina)
      Queen Elizabeth I
      Jane Curtin (original SNL cast member)
      Lauren Bacall
      Jane Addams (founded Hull House; most prominent social reformer of the Progressive Era; first American woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize)
      Ana Marie Cox (of Wonkette/Air America fame)
      Chrissie Hynde
      Kitty Carlisle Hart (National Medal of Arts awardee; studied at the Sorbonne, London School of Economics, & RADA...you wouldn't run out of stuff to talk about!)
      Julia Gillard (Prime Minister of Australia)
      Amy Poehler
      Twiggy
      Carly Fiorina (Demon Sheep not invited!)
      Rosie Perez (ask her about her AIDS activism)
      Agnes De Mille (dancer/choreographer)
      Janeane Garofalo
      Dr. Joyce Brothers (my Mom's actually had coffee and a chat with her; apparently she's a delightful conversationalist!)

      :-)

      •  I'd love to have tea.... (5+ / 0-)

        ... with Queen Elizabeth I.  Or any other beverage.  She took her wine watered down so she wouldn't get drunk (or so said several biographers).  She was a very mousy eater, was probably anorexic which is probably why her menstrual cycles were irregular.  Well, her life was threatened from her childhood forward, she spent time in the Tower as a teenager, there were also a couple of attempts on her life when she was queen that were very close calls.  Hell, that would make anyone a nervous wreck and turn them into an anorexic.  Still, after 19 years of Mary, Queen of Scots trying to take her throne and more than ample proof of her treachery, QE I suffered from a horrible guilty conscience when she finally signed the death warrant that led to Mary's execution.

        Erasmus was one of Elizabeth's tutors, she spoke/wrote seven languages fluently, and once she got the hang of the whole ruling thing after the first year or so, she was 'Good Queen Bess' to her subjects.  She allowed the Reformation to continue because, as she put it, she did not want to 'peer into men's souls.'  Her half-sibling, Bloody Mary I, put more people to death in the five years of her reign than Elizabeth I did in the 45 years she was on the throne.  England has almost always done very well under female monarchs.  When QE I died on 24 March 1603, James I got the throne, but then all the religious strife began all over again with the crown trying to shove a state religion down the throats of the people of Great Britain.  [That's when my Separatist ancestors left England for Leiden, Holland..., and then some came on the Mayflower, and others followed shortly thereafter with The Great Migration.  Some of them were not as religious as the reichwingnuttia candidates want to believe, if my genealogy research is any indication.]

        QE I also inherited a country deep in debt, brought it back to the black and kept it there (which James I promptly depleted), had a horror of war (waste of lives and money), and when another country threatened war, her ministers opened marriage negotiations with an eligible bachelor of a royal or noble family in that country; they couldn't very well declare war on a country whose monarch might be their queen.  When the danger of war was past, she turned the fellow down.  Brilliant strategy to keep the peace.  ;-)  Even when the Spanish Armada was defeated, it had more to do with windy and bad weather than it did from actual battles.  :-)

        The woman was just plainly fascinating, and it must have been interesting to know her in person.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 11:58:39 AM PDT

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        •  Elizabeth I is a very good choice. (1+ / 0-)
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          I would also be interested in chatting with Jane Addams. Seems like we really need the 21st-century equivalent of her Hull House these days (to our shame, methinks).

          Just because it's made up doesn't mean it isn't true.—Plan 10 from Outer Space

          by mofembot on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 01:47:24 AM PDT

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