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  •  Of course (2+ / 0-)
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    WuChier, Scientician

    But you also have to ask which values are more honest and work better.

    Conservatives love power. They have limited or non-existent empathy. They approve and sometimes glory in violence.

    You can find historical examples of similar behaviour on the left. But currently there are damn few examples of extremists with those values on our side.

    The worst thing Michael Moore would do would be to raise taxes and improve working conditions.

    The worst thing Michelle Bachmann would do with unlimited power is - well, who knows? But it's a reasonable bet that the results would be somewhere between very inconvenient and extremely unpleasant for a very large number of people.

    So - equivalence? Not so much.

    The left has a bizarre reputation for bomb-throwing extremism for spurious historical reasons. In Europe, some of the more extreme and violent left-wing movements in politics were CIA funded.

    But really, most people on the left just want to be left alone with a decent job, reasonable pay, some leisure time, some spare cash, and a political system that isn't run by narcissists and sociopaths for their personal benefit at everyone else's expense.

    The right won't be happy until there's mass poverty for everyone except themselves and their few followers.

    Which ambition is the more rational and reasonable?

    "Be kind" - is that a religion?

    by ThatBritGuy on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 04:28:22 AM PDT

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    •  Where do I begin? (2+ / 0-)
      Conservatives love power. They have limited or non-existent empathy. They approve and sometimes glory in violence.

      And people on the left don't love power?  You're ascribing a human condition to only one political ideology, which is of course ridiculous.  And if you don't think historically the left has not engaged in violence and power grabbing, you haven't been paying attention.

      The worst thing Michael Moore would do would be to raise taxes and improve working conditions.

      The worst thing Michelle Bachmann would do with unlimited power is - well, who knows? But it's a reasonable bet that the results would be somewhere between very inconvenient and extremely unpleasant for a very large number of people.

      Well, you really have no idea about these things, and you're just offering a one sided view based on your own preferences.  I'm sure others would characterise what these individuals would do in a much different way. And no matter what, your ideas of what Michael Moore "wants" are little cursory. I'm sure a Bachmann supporter would say "The worst thing Michelle Bachman would do would be to lower taxes and increase freedom".  It's not less naive, and partisan, that what you said about Moore.

      The left has a bizarre reputation for bomb-throwing extremism for spurious historical reasons. In Europe, some of the more extreme and violent left-wing movements in politics were CIA funded.

      This is almost too absurd to respond to, but I'll go ahead anyway.  Ever hear of the Soviet Union?  Communist China?  Cambodia under Pol Pot?  I think most would characterise them as "extreme and violent".

      But really, most people on the left just want to be left alone with a decent job, reasonable pay, some leisure time, some spare cash, and a political system that isn't run by narcissists and sociopaths for their personal benefit at everyone else's expense.

      This is, of course, what most Americans want, on both the left and the right. These are human wants, not political ones.  You're dehumanising people you disagree with when you say stuff like this an ascribe these desires only to the left.

      The right won't be happy until there's mass poverty for everyone except themselves and their few followers.

      Again, simplistic, one sided, hyper partisan, we're good they're evil thinking that bears no resemblance to reality.

      With statements like these you're a lot closer to those you despise on the far right that you realise.

      •  I don't usually say this, but ... (2+ / 0-)
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        googie, Scientician

        I really disagree with you.  I also don't understand your derisive comments to ThatBritGuy's posting.  I also don't understand your equating Pol Pot to progressive ideology.  That definition of what the left represents is a conservative tool used to smear progressive policy and has no basis in fact.

        "A person who does good is not perceived as powerful." hannah

        by WuChier on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 08:13:02 AM PDT

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