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  •  Pawlenty = Lunesta. (4+ / 0-)

    They could make him the nominee, probably, if they really wanted to, but how could they wake people up to go vote for him?

    I understand kos' warning, but I've been pretty sure for many months now they're going to hold their noses and tap Romney in the end. Just like they held their noses and tapped McCain. It's what Republicans do.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

    by sidnora on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 01:37:59 PM PDT

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    •  The Establishment didn't hate McCain. They REALLY (1+ / 0-)
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      hate Romney. McCain just got passed over in 2000 when Bush came out of nowhere. He got his turn in 2008, and the 2008 primary was never in serious doubt.

      Right now, they're looking for anyone, but they'll probably settle with Perry. Perry's out only if he has a complete meltdown (and I'm not talking about some shitty debate performance; that will be forgotten by next week). I'm talking about baby-eating, sex-taping, human sacrifice to Satan meltdown.

      •  McCain was "swift-boated" by his own party even (3+ / 0-)
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        worse then Kerry when he ran in 2000.

        •  I agree that he was swiftboated by his own party, (1+ / 0-)
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          but not worse than Kerry. The attack on Kerry was a book/ads with hundreds of lies - not even consistent with each other.  The media played along and as Kerry's people proved there were many lies, they simply moved to other charges - ignoring that the official record backed Kerry and the SBVT contradicted it while never providing even one piece a proof.  Imagine having to prove that you actually got the As on your transcript - independently of the transcript - 30 plus years after you left college.

          In 2000, there were several, but less than 10 charges against McCain. The media defended him far more than it did Kerry. Additionally, all the Vietnam Vets in Congress in both parties signed a public letter calling Bush's teams action what it was ----- organized by John Kerry.  

        •  In '00 McCain ran as a moderate, (1+ / 0-)
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          and the Establishment was committed to W in any case.
          But anyway it isn't the Establishment that hates Romney so much, it's the out of control poison-ivy roots.

          When civilizations clash, barbarism wins.

          by Allogenes on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 08:32:10 AM PDT

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      •  The Establishment? (2+ / 0-)
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        Really? I was thinking that Romney was the Fox News, Wall Street guy. Can't get more establishment than that.

        •  They're only defending Romney because they hate (0+ / 0-)

          Perry. There's a GOP faction headed by Rove/Ailes that's hated Perry since Bush was Governor. They're also the ones who are trying to get Christie et al to get in.

          They're a small but vocal faction (they control Fox News) who hate Perry, hate Romney somewhat less (but everybody else hates Romney more than Perry), and are still making noises about other candidates.

          But once Perry gets the nom, they'll fall in line and back him. They'll put their personal grudges aside and back anyone but the Kenyan socialist who's in charge now.

      •  The establishment sure didn't love McCain, (0+ / 0-)

        especially by 2008. Too much mavericky goodness for them. They want someone who's not going to hand them any rude surprises, and for too long that was McCain's specialty.

        I don't think the establishment hates Romney as much you think. He's one of them, a money man. His squishy history on social issues means squat to them, all they care about is the money. Romneycare maybe is more of a problem. But if he gets the nomination, you'll see corporatism like you've never seen before, an they will be delighted.

        It's the poison-ivy roots (as Allogenes so aptly called them) who hate Romney, for the social positions that allowed him to win in and govern MA, for his Mormonism, and for Romneycare. Also the ultra-right ultra-rich, meaning the Koch Brothers and maybe one or two others, would rather have someone who they're sure is a true believer. But for the run-of-the-mill Wall St. billionaire, Romney is a perfect fit.

        The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

        by sidnora on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 09:48:22 AM PDT

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