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  •  Vote for me (0+ / 0-)

    for all the good it will do you.

    "Our answer is more democracy, more openness, more humanity." ~Norwegian PM Jens Stoltenberg

    by Andhakari on Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 09:42:47 PM PDT

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    •  A vote for you is a vote for Perry. (0+ / 0-)

      Is that what you want?  

      "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 12:13:53 AM PDT

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      •  Was that going to be your stock... (0+ / 0-)

        ...answer regardless of whatever name was proffered? I think it was. That's not really engaging in an open dialogue...

        •  yo, do the arithmetic. (0+ / 0-)

          For any two numbers, reducing the value of either number has the same effect on the difference between them, as increasing the value of the other number.  That's a hard fact of basic arithmetic.      

          Therefore reducing the Democratic candidate's total vote count by an increment of 1 is equivalent to increasing the Republican candidate's total vote count by an increment of 1.  The subtracted Democratic vote has the same effect on the difference between the Democratic total and the Republican total, regardless of whether the subtracted Democratic vote is a non-vote or a third-party vote.

          You can choose your opinions but you can't choose your facts.  There is no such thing as "open dialogue" about hard facts.  They just are, regardless of what you or I feel or what you or I want.  What we feel and what we want is irrelevant.  

          Calling for "open dialogue" about arithmetic is like calling for "open dialogue" about evolution vs. creationism.   You can have an "open dialogue" until the cow jumps over the moon, but all the dialogue in the world will not change the facts one iota.  

          If you want to argue that there's a way to get enough votes for a third-party candidate to elect that person as president, be my guest.  But before you do, check the TOS, because advocating for third-party candidates around here is an insta-ban offense.  

          "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 04:45:43 AM PDT

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          •  Aw, you had to go and bring math into it. (0+ / 0-)

            And bad math at that.  I'll make it simple for you:  

            5 Democrats and 5 Republicans, Perry v Obama:  

            Party line vote:  tie.

            One Democrat votes for Bernie Sanders:  Perry wins by one.

            One Democrat votes for Rick Perry: Perry wins by two.

            Ergo: a vote for another candidate is does not equal a vote for Rick Perry (especially since Perry will not be the nominee).

            •  aw, you had to bring Bernie Sanders into it. (0+ / 0-)

              He's not even running, and Ralph Nader makes a much better example.

              In any case, per your example:

              Party line vote:  tie.

              One Democrat votes for Ralph Nader:  Perry wins.

              One Democrat votes for Rick Perry: Perry wins.

              It doesn't matter if Perry wins by one vote or by two.  

              What matters is that either way, he wins.  

              Further, it's not just about a tie being broken by ONE vote.  It's about peer influence causing a shift of a sufficient number of votes to do the trick.  

              Eleven Democrats, ten Republicans.

              Party line vote: Obama wins.

              One Democrat decides to stay home, and persuades a friend to do likewise:
              Perry wins.  

              There is no escaping this.

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              "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

              by G2geek on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 07:12:02 PM PDT

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              •  Dude, your post is right up there ^^^ (0+ / 0-)

                You said "do the arithmetic".  I did.  You were wrong.  Moving the goalposts with your new fantasy scenarios can't change that.

                Whatever scare tactics you choose, you cannot truthfully say a vote for a third-party is the same as a vote for a Republican.  As someone once said: "That's a hard fact of basic arithmetic."  Deal with it.

                •  the goal posts are in the same place.... (0+ / 0-)

                  .... they were originally.   The vote for Nader and the stay-at-home nonvoter, both have the same effect.  

                  There's even a term for this in statistics, that escapes me at the moment.  

                  So which are you supporting: Kossaks voting for third-party candidates, or Kossaks staying home and not voting?  

                  "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                  by G2geek on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 07:46:11 PM PDT

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