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  •  "Actively trying to kill" (5+ / 0-)

    Define the term.  Is violent rhetoric, which SCOTUS has held to be constitutionally protected, something the president can unilaterally impose a death sentence for? Especially in a country where there are no ongoing hostilities, and no armed conflict involving the US (other than the US dropping missiles on its citizens)?

    Reality has a liberal bias.

    by Hayate Yagami on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 12:21:18 PM PDT

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    •  Recruiting and planning terrorist attacks. (0+ / 0-)

      Unless you think it's a miraculous coincidence that he had email correspondence with Nidal Hassan, Faisah Shahzad, and the underwear bomber.

      "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

      by Geekesque on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 12:24:56 PM PDT

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      •  What is your proof? (6+ / 0-)

        Communicating is free speech.  There are many Americans actively calling for the killing of abortion providers.  Why aren't they the target of drone attacks?

        I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

        by bobdevo on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 12:31:52 PM PDT

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        •  There is no proof. (7+ / 0-)

          It's sad to see Americans happy to see their government assassinating American citizens. A glimpse through history shows what happens when a government takes the roles of judge, jury and executioner into their own hands.

          But I guess my view makes me an emo-prog frustrati.

          Where did we hear this argument before:Who needs the rule of law or constitutional protections if you're not doing anything wrong?

          The short-sightedness of those supporting these actions boggles the mind.

        •  Unless they are actually planning some attacks (0+ / 0-)

          that's not actionable.

          "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

          by Geekesque on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 01:08:17 PM PDT

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        •  Anyone who calls for the killing of abortion... (0+ / 0-)

          ...providers is investigated by law enforcement, and they're either charged or they're not depending on the genuineness of the threat.  Law enforcement has ready access to them.  

          Note that Awlaki went through this same triage process: he's not just some American who threatened the US, he's in that 1% of American expatriates who threatened the US and whose threat was evaluated to be pretty severe.  The only difference is that while law enforcement in the US can detain someone whose threat to (e.g.) kill abortion providers is judged to be severe, it can't do that in Yemen so the only two choices are targeted killing or doing nothing.  All other choices are phony and they're not suggested in good faith, but rather as surrogate versions of doing nothing.

          The Rent Is Too Damn High Party feels that if you want to marry a shoe, I'll marry you. --Jimmy McMillan

          by Rich in PA on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 01:17:51 PM PDT

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          •  So Now We Can Assassinate Overseas Criminals (2+ / 0-)
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            That's a new one that we somehow acquired the right to kill alleged criminals overseas. Again if there was such proof that he actually was a criminal, there would be an indictment...there isn't even an indictment against Al Alwaki, so it doesn't look like there was much of a case to be made that he was a criminal.

          •  Please identify one person calling for (1+ / 0-)
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            assassination of abortion providers who has been arrested - let alone blown up by a predator drone

            I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

            by bobdevo on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 07:30:44 PM PDT

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    •  There are people on the streets of our (4+ / 0-)

      cities who are actively trying to kill Americans. Do you think that leaders of the MS gang in El Salvador merit the same treatment as AQ members. What makes them so special? And why did Tim McVeigh merit a trial?

      •  Given an authorization from Congress, (0+ / 0-)

        yes, that would probably be legal.

        --Shannon

        "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
        "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

        by Leftie Gunner on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 04:54:40 PM PDT

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