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  •  AQ is a new kind of enemy. (1+ / 0-)
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    Also, remember that insisting on a trial means that, effectively, the US was required to leave him in peace to carry out his business in Yemen.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 02:57:57 PM PDT

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    •  That's what tyrants always say (5+ / 0-)

      As Nietzche said: Be careful when you live with monsters that you do not become one yourself (or words to that effect). When you fight an enemy, the fight changes you.

      This obsessive struggle has changed America into something more like AQ's vision of what America already, in their eyes is. We have in fact done much of what AQ now accuses us of. We invaded muslim lands, killed lots of muslims, occupy large areas of the mid-east, wage war throughout a swathe of muslim lands ranging from Pakistan to Libya and down to Somalia. We have imprisoned muslims without trial in Guantanamo. We tortured and humiliated prisoners in Abu Ghraib. Muslims are routinely discriminated against all over America (NYC mosque being just one example).

      I mean, really, what is any muslim to think other than AQ basically has it right about America? To them, it looks like a very big, very nasty, very aggressive power that will brook no opposition and, if you are a muslim, your citizenship cannot protect you. If I were a muslim, I would be thinking along these lines.

      •  And now the military special forces are (2+ / 0-)
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        rounding up Afgan citizens at night to question them for intelligence.  Just ordinary citizens.  Reminds me of Germany rounding up their citiznes.  But then I read that Gen Petraus' counterinsurgency was taken from Hitler's war plans. Does that make our military forces terrorists?

        •  Seriously? (0+ / 0-)

          Do you have a source for that assertion?  If so, I'd love to see it.  I find it hard to believe that the US has fallen that far.

          Reality has a liberal bias.

          by Hayate Yagami on Fri Sep 30, 2011 at 05:09:31 PM PDT

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          •  justforeignpolicy.org for 9/22/11 /subject: US (2+ / 0-)
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            accused of kidnapping Afgan civilians.

            "A study published by the Open Society Foundation says U.S. Special Operations forces have been increasingly aiming their night-time raids in Afganistan at civilian non-combatants in order to exploit their possible intelligence value, Gareth Porter reports for Inter Press Service.  The authors of the report conclude that deliberately targeting and rounding up civilians who are not suspected of being insurgents merely to exploit possible intelligence value "may constitute an arbitrary deprivation of liberty" and thus "inhumane treatment" in violation of Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.  Night raids prompted by the desire for intelligence can result in the deaths of civilians, Porter notes."

            The one n Petraus I don't have on hand at this minute.  I read it in article - I think in Rolling Stone, but I can't be sure.  Will see if I can find the actual article.  But I do remember reading about it.

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