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  •  For now, the protesters are cutting the Gordian (17+ / 0-)

    Knot of the economic complexities. They're saying, in essence, "The rich have taken too goddamn much from the rest of us. We want it back!" Solving the complexities comes later, this has to be hammered into place first.

    Occupy Wall Street. Occupy Main Street. Occupy everything. Force a tsunami of change on the nation.

    by Black Max on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 11:09:55 AM PDT

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    •  Agreed + (7+ / 0-)

      However, there is something to be said for Milton Friedman's notion of the importance of "the ideas that happen to be lying around." If things get specific - and that can happen fast - it's important to be prepared with OUR ideas.

      Right now, the intellectual Left should be preparing those ideas in case they're necessary. In the meantime, they can try to shed light where it's warranted.

      Thousands of years ago the question was asked: 'Am I my brother's keeper?' That question has never yet been answered in a way that is satisfactory to civilized society. ~ Eugene V. Debbs

      by PlutocracyFiles on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 11:27:28 AM PDT

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      •  Agree. (3+ / 0-)
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        One question in my mind is what happens when Bloomberg decides that you will not be allowed to "occupy" Wall Street any longer.  What will you do if/when that happens.  

        Sure hope some of those ideas are lying around when that happens.  

        •  Then you decentralize.... (0+ / 0-)

          ....and occupy hundreds of street corners with small groups, each conveying that the banksters and Wall Street houses are crooks, and that the general public should start starving these Mr. Creosotes.

          9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

          by varro on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 01:00:06 AM PDT

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    •  You're correct. (0+ / 0-)

      The great mass movements of the 1960s-the civil rights movement and the antiwar movement did not have specific programs.
        The demonstrations created the spector of ever growing disorder and had simple demands that overrode the complexity.
        There were huge complexities that were cited as to why we couldn't have racial integration or why we couldn't just leave South Vietnam. But the demonstrators brought an urgency that compelled the political leaders to find a way to calm down the angry public.
        The victory of the civil rights movement was clear and complete. The antiwar movement didn't really succeed. Nixon's phased withdrawal continued the war for years while he pretended to be ending it.

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