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  •  What's inappropriate about the arrests? (2+ / 0-)
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    The entire point of civil disobedience is to get arrested.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:45:00 PM PDT

    •  Read the rest of the comments (3+ / 0-)
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      MKinTN, SeaTurtle, boadicea

      They seem to have been suckered onto the bridge in what had been expected to be a lawful march down the pedestrian walkway (or on the roadway with permission.)  And even if not, it's the arresting that diminishes the arresters: i.e., "us."

      In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

      by Seneca Doane on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:48:33 PM PDT

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      •  Last part leaves me confused. (0+ / 0-)

        I don't see the scandal in people illegally blocking traffic and possibly creating a safety issue getting arrested.

        IF that's what's going on and they're not being ushered onto the roadway by police.

        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

        by Geekesque on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:53:28 PM PDT

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        •  I'm addressing civil disobedience generally (1+ / 0-)
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          I'll bet that there are causes for which you'd accept "causing a safety issue."

          In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

          by Seneca Doane on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 04:59:45 PM PDT

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        •  Why should people in vehicles have (0+ / 0-)

          the right of way over people on foot?  Because they're operating a potentially lethal machine?  Because they own a car?  Because we bipedal creatures have assented to letting wheels trump feet?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuzZQ8LTE2c

          by hannah on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:03:02 PM PDT

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          •  How about: because they're in a roadway... (3+ / 0-)
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            ...where it is assumed that, for safety reasons, pedestrians are not walking, considering that an alternative walkway has been provided.

            •  Even when said roadway is closed? n/t (0+ / 0-)

              In my avatar, the blue bars show how many want Reps who COMPROMISE; the aqua bars show who wants Reps who STAND FAST no matter what. (Left=Overall; Center=Democrats; Right=Republicans.) And there's the problem!

              by Seneca Doane on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 05:25:11 PM PDT

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            •  You know what they say about (0+ / 0-)

              "assume"--it makes an ass of u and me.

              Note how that assumption puts the responsibility for safety on the potential victim of a lethal machine.  Humans have an infinite capacity for shifting blame from themselves to their tools, their victims, or the fates.  That does not mean we have to give them credence.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuzZQ8LTE2c

              by hannah on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 02:41:36 AM PDT

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          •  Same reason cars can't drive on sidewalks eom (3+ / 0-)
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            malharden, crankyinNYC, erush1345

            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

            by Geekesque on Sat Oct 01, 2011 at 06:52:17 PM PDT

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            •  Actually, under normal circumstances, (0+ / 0-)

              cars do not drive.  They are operated by people who, apparently, claim a privileged position by virtue of being encased in a metal, glass and plastic shell that's motorized.

              I will grant you that the notion that human beings have a right to walk wherever they like, because that's how the creator made, them is radical.  But, it's only radical because we have created a car-centered culture in which humans are subordinated to property.
              Never mind that 40,000 humans are killed in vehicular crashes every year. Those are the humans we need to sacrifice to the car.  Besides, given that number, the 4000+ that were "sacrificed" in Iraq in eight years to "secure" some more fuel for those cars is really small potatoes.

              Why is the whole world watching?  Because the U.S. is insane and insanity is fascinating.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuzZQ8LTE2c

              by hannah on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 02:37:33 AM PDT

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              •  To be slightly contrarian... (1+ / 0-)
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                The concept of roads and devices to convey people on roads is older than cars - which are themselves an end of the 19th century invention.  Roads have always had their hazards.

                With the coming of the car, the concept of separation of people from the road was more formalized but the seeds of it had always been there.

                The argument you are making is what I would call "the caveman" argument.  "We used to be able to walk anyway but now we can't".  Without acknowledging that many of the things we have in our society were invented to save labor and free our time. It is a mark of our progress.  

                For example - The Washing Machine:









                This singular invention may have advanced women's rights remarkably and the rest of the world clamors for it.

                With progress comes change such as the realization that streets are no longer the province of foot borne people.  

                --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

                by chipoliwog on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 08:07:01 AM PDT

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        •  it was not clear to protesters (5+ / 0-)

          that they were blocking traffic. A group of NYPD in white shirts appeared to be escorting them across the roadway part of the bridge. See below for fuller details.

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