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  •  Oh, I didn't know Carey was doing (0+ / 0-)

    Marvel. He's an excellent writer- his Lucifer was one of the best books of the 00's.

    I gave up on Marvel in disgust after Civil War led directly into Secret Invasion led directly into Dark Reign led directly into Siege...where you had to buy ALL the crossover books to get the full story.

    Compare that to DC who at least gives you some breathing room (Brightest Day doesn't count- you could buy either the Brightest Day book the crosssover was unintrusive, for the most part) between events- DC tends to keep events confined to a particular group of books, rather than the whole line.

    Infinite Crisis was 2005. Final Crisis was 2008.  Blackest night was 2009. Flashpoint was 2011.  Much more in the way of breathing room.

    Not that DC doesn't have gimmicks, I concede they do.  But they seem overall far less reliant on them then Marvel, and for my money put out a vastly superior product.

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 02:25:22 PM PDT

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    •  Marvel's problem... (0+ / 0-)

      Isn't so much that they're too reliant on crossovers, but in a sense that they're too effective at convincing readers that they can't skip the tie-ins.  Re-reading both Civil War (which was good) and Secret Invasion (which could have been, but wasn't) without the tie-ins, they really aren't necessary, and give a better perspective on the storylines.

      The biggest problem, though, is when you convince readers to read all the tie-ins, is that the reader gets to read all the poorly-written titles as well.  This leads to an overall low opinion of Marvel and a lot of people dropping them in resentment.

      I'm going through a bit of this right now with Fear Itself - at first I was reading all the tie-ins, but I soon decided to drop all the tie-ins except the ones relating to the books I already read (the X-books) and the ones that I've found are pretty good through the crossover (Journey into Mystery is excellent right now).  It's made for a more enjoyable experience.

      In the end, though, I'm not sure that one approach or the other really produces an "overall superior product."  I think both companies produce its share of excellent titles and its share of stinkers.  But like I said, if a crossover ends up making you think you have to keep up with all of them, the crappy ones are going to lower your overall opinion of the quality of the company's output.

    •  You understate (1+ / 0-)
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      Nova Land

      Identity Crisis, 52, Countdown, Infinite Crisis, Sinestro Corps War/Agent Orange/Rage of the Red Lanterns/Blackest Night/War of the Green Lanterns/Brightest Day, Amazons Attack, Batman's death & return, Flash: Rebirth, Flashpoint, I think there was another Rann-Thanagar war in there ...

      They're not all company wide, but there's no letup either.

      into the blue again, after the money's gone

      by Prof Haley on Sun Oct 02, 2011 at 09:38:37 PM PDT

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