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  •  Weight and gender is such a complex (0+ / 0-)

    topic.  Right now, there seems to be some sort of weird reverse double standard developing.  Changing Waller is viewed as somehow an example of misogyny while everyone feels free to knock Christie on his weight and call on him to lose significant amounts of weight.  Last week on MSNBC was "Christie is too fat" week.  In the dating market, it is acceptable to reject males based on proportions but males that do the same are viewed as "shallow".  

    I'm willing to say that this is a character named Waller that bears no resemblance to the original and chalk it up to the reboot.  I'm not quite sure what to make of claims that would somehow automatically say changing Waller's weight is sexist.  This may very well be an example of DC rejecting various forms of diversity (as is getting Gordon out of the chair), but I don't think that that necessarily translates into misogyny.

    I would be inclined to agree if they go on to aggressively sexualize Waller in subsequent books, however.

    Number 1 thing I do not want to hear: "Are you satisfied" (uttered by Chuck Todd).

    by AZphilosopher on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 09:50:44 AM PDT

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    •  Where are all the fat guys? (0+ / 0-)

      I've looked through a few female created, boy love manga, and all I saw was skinny, pretty guys with long flowing hair.  Where are the fat boys?  Why can't a fat model get on as many romance novel covers as Fabio?  

    •  Waller's change has ZERO to do (0+ / 0-)

      with misogony or sexism. It's to make her resemble Angela Bassett, who will be playing her in the Suicide Squad movie. There is a long history of comic companies doing this.

      Claims that it is somehow "sexist" or "misogynistic" actually makes it harder to take legitimate criticism of the DCnU seriously, IMO.

      "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

      by Whimsical on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 11:10:52 AM PDT

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      •  We'll never agree on this one (0+ / 0-)

        I see your point but stand by my assertion that the cinematic Waller should have been cast to be more respectful of the comics vision of the character. Failing that, there is zero reason for DC to try to make the characters match. That there are limited Hollywood options who look like Waller is sad, but perhaps true. Comics are not bound by that limitation. YMMV regarding the extent of the sexism inherent, but the decision was unnecessary and removed a powerful symbol from the DC universe.

        Everyone's been nice to me, the way that Vincent Price would be with midnight coming on. -Peter Blegvad

        by RBHSOregon on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 11:36:46 AM PDT

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        •  No, we won't. (1+ / 0-)
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          But I will cede that if there was a: short, overweight, African American actress with talent, and enough name recognition to be offered the role, but without enough to make the film too expensive, she should have been offered the role.

          Comics are not bound by anything; DC is under no obligation to keep Waller the same. They do it so people don't pick up the comic, go "This is not like the movie" and put it down again (and yes, those people exist, I've seen them). But again, this is not based AT ALL on sexism. It is based on the profit motive, and making the 'sexist' claim about something so clearly not sexist damages your credibility on other, more valid points, imo.

          I do owe you some thanks: This discussion has forced me to examine my own highly negative reaction to most of the criticisms of the DCnU (with the exception of the Starfire ones), and I have figured out why they bother me so much.

          "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

          by Whimsical on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 08:45:18 PM PDT

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