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  •  I mostly agree. (2+ / 0-)
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    pollwatcher, Sparhawk
    The majority of Democrats in congress understand this problem.

    I'm not sure this is true, however.  I sat down with the staff of my congresswoman, who has to be one of the two or three most progressive in the country, and they were clueless about peak oil, limits to growth, etc.  And they were especially clueless about the timeframe - that this was an imminent problem.

    They're aware that oil is bad, and that climate change is a problem, but I think they don't grasp either the severity of the problem, is scope (especially with respect to growth and the economy), and its imminence (they still think it's decades away).

    I swear we need Jimmy Carter to sit down with progressive Dems and deliver the message on these issues.

    contraposition.org - thoughts on energy, the environment, and society.

    by barath on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 09:21:08 AM PDT

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    •  That's an excellent idea! (2+ / 0-)
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      barath, SuWho

      Ok, let's do it.  I have a copy of Jimmy Carters global 2000 report, which pretty much predicted that this would happen, a bit early perhaps but not too bad for being written 30 years ago.

      So how can we go about this?  How can we start arranging meetings between progressive Dems and Jimmy Carter?

      Should we start with Diaries asking for people who could put us in direct contact with Jimmy Carter, so we can run the idea by him? Should we write a diary, with a poll, so we can demonstrate there is support among the progressive community to address this critical problem?

      How do we go about educating the progressive's in congress to the fact that they can fiddle with the economic knobs and levers all they want, but if they don't directly address the critical problem of critical resource depletion, the economy will NEVER recover to an acceptable level?

      You've made a great start at informing this community, how can we get many more involved?

      •  I wonder... (4+ / 0-)
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        How do we go about educating the progressive's in congress to the fact that they can fiddle with the economic knobs and levers all they want, but if they don't directly address the critical problem of critical resource depletion, the economy will NEVER recover to an acceptable level?

        You've made a great start at informing this community, how can we get many more involved?

        So my approach has been to try to get meetings with my representatives / local officials, but that's slow going and I only ever get to meet with staff (who probably don't pass the word on).

        First I think we might need to get one national Democrat on board.  My understanding is that Tom Udall is a member of the (very tiny) congressional peak oil caucus.  I don't know, though, if he understands the broader limits to growth issues.  Might it be a better bet to find a progressive dem who is energy-conscious and really hammer away to get them on board?  I don't know which approach is better.  From there, they can reach out to Carter to get him to brief them all.

        I remember someone posting this comment that they spoke with Carter at his church:

        http://ourfiniteworld.com/...

        Since Jimmy Carter is much being mentioned here, let me relay a recent crossing of paths with him that I was privileded to enjoy after attending church services at Plains, Geogia Baptist Church.One of the highlights of so attending is to have your picture taken with President Carter and his wife, Rosalyn after the service. Participants are told not to interact with either,and not to touch either, but to look into the camera, smile, click and move quickly on. I could not resist doing otherwise. being in presence of the only President ever to actually try to deal with our energy situation.

        My words to Mr. Carter, “Thank you Mr. President for having the courage to raise the issue of oil field depletion at a time when this country could have still done something about it.” He quickly reached across his wife, looked me straight in the eye, and said, “It’s going to get a lot worse.”

        contraposition.org - thoughts on energy, the environment, and society.

        by barath on Mon Oct 03, 2011 at 10:34:34 AM PDT

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