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  •  End Corporate Personhood could pass (3+ / 0-)
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    The diarist quotes 79% of citizens are against it and the link he provides has lots of other interesting data.

    Eliminate lobbyists is another that could pass.

    I've talked with a lot of tea baggers and libertarians and others on the far right and I agree with the diarist that there are many things we could agree on if we focused on the prize rather than our R & D sword fight.

    The solution you propose hasn't worked.  What did the Democrats do when they had a majority of both houses of Congress and the presidency that was so great?  Squat.  They waited until the R's controlled the Senate before even starting to act like they were trying to get anything done.

    We kidnap. We torture. It's our policy. Embrace it or end it!

    by Mosquito Pilot on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 04:21:00 AM PDT

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    •  Neither of those things could pass (0+ / 0-)

      The people may indeed be in favour .... they are in favour of lots of things, none of which are being allowed through Congress.

      Why does anyone think that the corporate interests would let them pas a Constitutional Convention?

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 04:45:47 AM PDT

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      •  Your solution is to never even try? (0+ / 0-)

        No the corporate interests will not like it, they will do what they can to oppose it.  Of course they will, but that is a reason TO fight, not a reason NOT TO.

        If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

        Sam Adams

        This looks like an inflection point to me.  Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

        We kidnap. We torture. It's our policy. Embrace it or end it!

        by Mosquito Pilot on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 05:04:09 AM PDT

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    •  ps (0+ / 0-)

      It's worth noting that the States haven't even ratified the Equal Rights Amendment.

      I wonder what proportion of the population are in favour of that?

      The real danger is that, in return for a couple of minor concessions the Right would insist on major Amendments being passed that really roll back the Bill of Rights.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      by twigg on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 04:48:52 AM PDT

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      •  What is the "right" or "left" (0+ / 0-)

        side of "End Corporate Personhood" or "Eliminate Lobbyists"?

        We kidnap. We torture. It's our policy. Embrace it or end it!

        by Mosquito Pilot on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 05:05:30 AM PDT

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        •  Well now (0+ / 0-)

          I suggest you look to see where the opposition to reforms such as that is coming from ... and which candidates they support in elections.

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          by twigg on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 06:38:15 AM PDT

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          •  The opposition to those reforms (0+ / 0-)

            comes from corporations.  They pay for candidates in both parties.

            These are perhaps the clearest examples that our democracy no longer works for the people, but is in the employ of corporations.

            #occupywallstreet.

            Occupy Houston starts Oct 6.

            Get engaged. "They" want you to just give up.

            We kidnap. We torture. It's our policy. Embrace it or end it!

            by Mosquito Pilot on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 12:01:49 PM PDT

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