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  •  Solar is wonderful (0+ / 0-)

    if you don't care about the environmental consequences and if you have a labor force that is willing to work for pennies, because it's one step up from being a peasant working on an antiquated farm in the middle of nowhere.

    Thus, we see Harvey making excuses for the Solyndra bankruptcy (a half-billion of taxpayer money down the toilet) by pointing out how well things are going in China.

    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
    -- Albert Einstein

    by bryfry on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 03:32:46 PM PDT

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    •  Fact. Republicans voted FOR Solyndra (0+ / 0-)
      In this country, it is relatively easy to get venture capital for a good idea — and alternative energy has attracted billions in the past few years.

      What is hard to come by is money to fund the far more expensive process of commercializing the innovation. [...]

      The Republicans know all this, surely.

      In 2005, when the Energy Policy Act was first proposed by the Bush administration, they made some of these same arguments in support of the loan guarantee program, which was part of the bill.

      The bill passed the House with overwhelming Republican support.

      Most Democrats voted no.

      Today, the Republican-led Energy and Commerce Committee is investigating Solyndra,

      forcing its executives to take the Fifth Amendment, and releasing embarrassing White House e-mails.

      I looked it up:

      every single Republican on that committee who was in office in 2005

                   voted for the loan guarantee program

                   - that they are now so gleefully condemning.

                           I wonder why.

      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      •  So I take it that (0+ / 0-)

        you don't support loan guarantees for "renewable" energy then?

        Sorry, but the truth is brutal. It's best just to face the facts for what they are.

        Did any Republican use Solyndra as a photo-op?

        This is a political embarrassment. The sharks smell blood and they are doing what sharks do. Sticking your head in the sand and trying to lay this on the Repubs won't accomplish anything. We need to clean up our act if we want to be taken seriously.

        Most importantly, we need to make sure that the baby is not thrown out with the bath water. The core problem is that these guarantees need to be properly vetted before they are granted. This was obviously not the case for Solyndra and a couple of other solar companies that have also gone belly up recently.

        By fast-tracking solar firms such as Solyndra, the Obama administration has set itself up for criticism. This is a shame. Let's move forward, however, and ensure that it doesn't happen again, without attacking the loan guarantee program, which I believe is a good program.

        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
        -- Albert Einstein

        by bryfry on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 04:11:59 PM PDT

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        •  Unless it is for nukes with no liability, eh? (0+ / 0-)

          No insurance company will insure them unless TAXPAYERS pay - while nuke companies collect billions in profit.  Fact.

          Once again:
          There is no way that suppliers like Westinghouse will operate in the absence of nuclear liability protection, Gary T. Urquhart, vice president at Westinghouse Electric said.

          “We will operate only in countries that have that type of legal system in place.”
          http://online.wsj.com/....

          If you read what I posted with/link - Solandra was approved and funded by the BUSH adm. and REPUGLICANS - ... not Obama.

          Solar and other alt. energy does not REQUIRE taxpayers paying for their products to operate, unlike nukes.    

          News: Japanese government is preparing to make New Tokyo

          10/4/2011, the chairman of Risk management civilizing organization, Ishii gave a speech.

          He said, they will submit the basic law as lawmaker-initiated legislation to the next extraordinary Diet session at the end of this month.

          He stated the budget for the research cost of making the second Tokyo will be in the account of the third additional appropriation.

          Apart from this, Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism has added 14 million yen for the research of building the second Tokyo to the budgetary request guidelines of 2012.

          http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/...


          Sea-Sky-Wind technology will never REQUIRE moving a capitol city due to radiation poison.

          Breaking News: Children have started to get thyroid disease
          http://fukushima-diary.com/...
          Pro-nukers want their $36 BILLION taxpayer handouts in the 2013 budget.  

          Just say: NO NUKES.  Clean it up already.

          •  Wow! Science Fiction (0+ / 0-)
            Breaking News: Children have started to get thyroid disease

            That's quite amazing, considering the latency period for thyroid cancer is somewhere between 5 and 20 years.

            This is just nonsense.

            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
            -- Albert Einstein

            by bryfry on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 10:23:46 PM PDT

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            •  Fukushima is not Chernobyl - it's much worse. (0+ / 0-)

              People were not evacuated in Japan when they should have been.  Statistically, when you look at Chernobyl... you are correct regarding five years.

              Again.  This time it's different.
              Facts.

              •  Nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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                Again. This time it's different.

                Yes, indeed it is different.

                Do you know the main pathway for I-131 to cause thyroid cancer? It comes from I-131 being deposited on grass, which is eaten by cows, gets passed to the milk, and drank by the person.

                In what is now Ukraine and Belarus (where most of the I-131 from Chernobyl went) there was a large rural population. These folks often had a cow in the backyard and would drink milk straight from the cow.

                Japan is a modern, industrialized nation that consumes far fewer dairy products than Eastern Europe. Furthermore, the Japanese (like we Americans), when and if they drink milk, buy their milk at the grocery store, after it has been pasteurized, homogenized, and shipped. All of this takes time, and the half-life of I-131 is only eight days. In the time it takes the radioisotope to be transported, deposited, consumed by a cow, milked, shipped, processed, and then shipped again, much of the material has decayed away.

                Evacuation has nothing to do with this.

                This time it's vastly different; it's a much smaller public health concern. Thus, any spurious claims of increases in thyroid cancer from the accident now are just nonsense.

                Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
                -- Albert Einstein

                by bryfry on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 10:54:33 AM PDT

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