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  •  ? Sounds like a bipartisanism call. (2+ / 0-)
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    increases the chances of one or two Republicans actually being sane

    I ALWAYS mind secret meetings.  

    •  Bipartisanship is unavoidable. (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't know how you think we're going to get anything out of this that isn't bipartisan. It has to be.

      Something's got to pass the House, and the Republicans have a large majority there. Anything that's going to pass is going to have to get at least one Republican vote in the committee in order to send it out, and a few dozen (at least) Republican votes in the House.

      With that in mind, closing the doors in order to give a Republican or two the political cover they need in order to buck their party's rabid base and actually do something about revenues seems more than prudent.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 07:07:25 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, thanks, I understand how the process (0+ / 0-)

        is designed to work. Just have zero confidence that this will happen:

        buck their party's rabid base and actually do something about revenues seems more than prudent.

        President has given them plenty of chances to make that happend over the last three years. DID. NOT. WORK.

        What's proposedhere is to work toward deadlock so that they won't do even more harm.

        Wish that you were correct for sure.

        •  The problem is... (0+ / 0-)

          ...that he's expected the Republicans to buck their base in public, with all sorts of right-wing crazies threatening a Tea Party primary challenge for anyone who doesn't toe the line in every single way or anyone who even hints that they might be thinking about working with the President.

          Hank Williams, Jr.'s comments are instructive as to how the Tea Party thinks: Obama is Hitler, the Republicans are the Jews, and even sitting down and talking to him—hell, doing anything but spit on him—is considered a betrayal of their principles.

          The only reason the right-wing base will tolerate the Republicans even being cordial to the President is because they've constructed this image in their heads of President Obama as this Chicago-style dictator who will have them whacked if they disrespect him.

          They were talking about primarying Orrin F$%#ing Hatch, for God's sake. ORRIN F$%#ING HATCH. Because he'd had the audacity to work with Barack Obama when he was in the Senate, and grant President Obama some leeway on his SCOTUS nominees.

          The freshmen Republicans might be right-wing loonies, but the ones who have been here a while are a bit more sane. They need to act insane in order to keep their jobs. That's not exactly admirable, but it is understandable. So putting them behind closed doors—where they can agree that revenues have to be part of the equation, even if they have to pretend in public like the Democrats twisted their arms—could give them the cover they need to let the safest one take the fall and vote for a deal that includes revenues.

          "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

          by JamesGG on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 07:32:51 AM PDT

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          •  I totally agree that that would be great... (1+ / 0-)
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            I just don't believe there's a snowball's chance in hell that it will work:

            the ones who have been here a while are a bit more sane. They need to act insane in order to keep their jobs. That's not exactly admirable, but it is understandable. So putting them behind closed doors—where they can agree that revenues have to be part of the equation, even if they have to pretend in public like the Democrats twisted their arms—could give them the cover they need to let the safest one take the fall and vote for a deal that includes revenues.

            Unless,  of course, the Dem agenda for the Committee has a lot of overlap with the Republican agenda.... which, after, the Catfood Commission's appointment and now this 'super catfood committtee's appearance.... I would not be surprised.

          •  I see another opportunity for Dems to attack (0+ / 0-)

            core parts of the Party Platform...in secret. We know where the Repugs stand, and we do see the Dems accepting the idea of secrecy.

            without the ants the rainforest dies

            by aliasalias on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 03:59:30 PM PDT

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