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  •  Stay Focused ON THE GENERAL (3+ / 0-)
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    This is what UNITES Us (that is the point of 99%).

    Do not let pressure be brought to marginalize or factionalize Us into competing particular interests.

    This is about a corrupted system.  This is about fundamental principles.  This is about a democratic (true) process.

    That is very real and very concrete and issue - and it is THE issue that needs to be dealt with IN ORDER to get into a new paradigm where all of the other particulars can come to be discussed and addressed in a meaningful and efficacious way.

    The current system denies this.  Its time to demand changing the system.

    That is what is underlying this movement.  And it is where its strength lies.

    •  Agree! STAY FOCUSED ON ECONOMIC ISSUES! (3+ / 0-)
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      The moment you start to stray into the 'Meat Is Murder!' or 'Isreal Out Of Gaza!' memes then you have begun to slash your followers from your side.  It does not matter how right you are - it matters how effective you are.  And you cannot be effective if you allow yourself to be consumed by internal squabbling or dismissed because you appear to be angry at everything.

      The issue is the greedy bankers.
      The issue is the suffering middle class.
      The issue is fairness in taxation.
      The issue is money in politics.

      Keep it at a manageable chunk.  All these things can be worked into a coherent narrative.

      The Tea Party started because regular people were angry about these issues but did not know the details.  They got corralled by  conservative corporate whores and were made to elect some real nut jobs.  After seeing these nut jobs in action, the same regular people have recoiled and are now willing to see how we handle this issue.  If we get distracted by drum circles and ancillary issues then they will simply dismiss us and we will fail to grow beyond our activist base.

      If you really want to expand beyond that then you can break into separate working groups but at that point you will be writing a party platform that will, like so many before it, be ignored until it blows away.  If you stay focused on a manageable chunk then you may be able to marshall the public energy to get some legislation passed or get some Progressives elected.  If you are expecting more than that in the next year or so then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

      Please do not be alarmed. We are about to engage... the nozzle.

      by Terrapin on Tue Oct 04, 2011 at 09:36:04 PM PDT

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    •  It's hard to unite (1+ / 0-)
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      when a good chunk of the people at "Occupy" meetings don't agree with progressives/socialists on hardly anything...

      I'd rather we just kick the conspiracy theorists and libertarians out to be honest.

      •  It's an issue that appeals to everyone (1+ / 0-)
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        focusing on economic populism is a blessing and curse. Economic populism unites the far left and the far right and everything between. Occupy DC is being supported by the Democratic Socialists of America, and there is a link to the DSA Party on the website. Some people want it taking off for fear that associating too closely with "socialists" will scare people away from getting involved. It's a tough call.

        •  The far-right likes populism for different reasons (1+ / 0-)
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          What is the point of trying to include them in our efforts if they don't give a rat's ass about economic equality or unemployment and just want to end the Fed?

          Any liberal wouldn't be scared off by socialist participation but they'll certainly be scared off by conspiracy theorists and Paulists. We need to attract mainstream liberals, not tea partiers.

          •  As long as the OWS group's (1+ / 0-)
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            goals seem to align with the Tea Party's, you have a problem if you hope to attract mainstream liberals.  

            Still enjoying my stimulus package.

            by Kevvboy on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 04:23:05 PM PDT

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            •  I think that in thins particular instance.... (0+ / 0-)

              the underlying angst of the Tea Party and the "Far Left" are in concordance.

              How we deal with the underlying problem, in this case, is where the differences really lie.

              Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity, only not as much fun.

              by Toktora on Wed Oct 05, 2011 at 05:37:44 PM PDT

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