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  •  Aren't there ever prosecutions where the defendant (3+ / 0-)
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    lgmcp, antirove, jeopardydd

    is in abstentia?  Where they're given a trial where, if they're ever located and retrieved, they're subject to the punishment determined at those trials?  I'm asking, because I'd like to know.  For example, if a person is charged with a crime, but they jump bail, are they ever prosecuted?  They're given the chance to show up in court to challenge their accusers, but since they've fled, they've essentially declined that right of challenging their accusers?

    I may be confusing fiction and fact, but can't there be some method set up, if it doesn't currently exist, for this to be done?  I don't mean that we should make it commonplace, and be the first option to actually tracking down and arresting suspects, but in cases where the US has made an effort to try and deliver the summons, is there no way to then try them in abstentia?

    Just asking - curious for the responses.

    •  What good would this have done? (1+ / 0-)
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      ColoTim

      I don't see what this would have accomplished. He wasn't in an area where INTERPOL or some other authority could grab him.

    •  Absolutely, there has to be (6+ / 0-)

      If your evidence is so strong, wait word from their lawyer, or appoint him a public defender. Lay the facts out, and have a JURY. If the jury convicts, then you go forward with the punishment.

      There are two things that are missing from the current process: 1) Public presentation of evidence. 2) jury (AFAIK, it's just judges making the decision).

      If they are American citizens, where they are at the moment is irrelevant. Otherwise, you just wait for somebody to go abroad, and then you have a carte blanche for any kind of an assassination attempt.

      One of the people who was assassinated was an EDITOR for an anti-US newspaper. You know who also has lots of newspapers criticizing this government, even calling for violence (the whole blood of tyrants and patriots bit)? Right wing militias. Are we going to target them next?

      The precedent is just way too dangerous. Not to mention  a scenario in which China starts killing its own nationals on our soil. You know, cause some judges over there said it's ok.

    •  Hardly ever. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      ColoTim

      "I think I threw the ball pretty good, except for the home runs"--Ross Ohlendorf, Pittsburgh Pirates

      by Rich in PA on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 10:51:47 AM PDT

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