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  •  Just where should citizen review and input (0+ / 0-)

    fit in with our panoply of covert, secret, top secret and above top secret agencies and compartmentalized operative groups?  Couldn't our great nation seeking to reflect democratic principles and rule of law, have a changing pool of citizen peers, sworn to secrecy (for a limited term), who might sit in and review these sorts of decisions, actions and outcomes, and be afforded the power to stop those which seem unjust or lack sound justification?  Aren't we brave enough to trust our own citizens to manage our government all the way to the very top?  I argue by saying 'No' to the founding principle of the citizen oversight of government we already have betrayed and given up on America.

    The opportunity for executive decisions to be made because they are expedient, convenient, personally beneficial can easily drift into very injust and arbitrary terrority, rather than be a fair process, principled, just and supported by objectively proven facts.  Especially when the executive power can be essentially be used for whatever ends and via whatever means which one, two or a mere few staff wish.  We might also consider that it's probable that our government may hire private corporate mercenaries carry out such 'missions' for profit, and be contracted to help cover up any lines of accountability and evidence leading in embarrassing directions.  

    This ends up being a 'system' that is so far removed from public accountability, so far from ongoing review by our full body of elected officials, so far from operating within the valid court system, that there is no way of the electorate to know or verify whether our government's secret deadly actions are right, just, fair, legal, and supported by sufficient evidence.  We just have to 'trust' that deadly force is being secretly used to protect 'us', however 'us' and 'them' is being defined...today.

    When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

    by antirove on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 11:44:26 AM PDT

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    •  As I said above/below (0+ / 0-)

      One of the interesting things about the dismissal of "next friend" standing claim in the suit brought by al-Awlaki's father in the DC District court was that the court held that al-awlaki's wishes held trump.... in effect -- saying that the 4th/5th amendments are rights primarily held by the individual, and only secondarily exist as checks against the government, rather than the inverse.

      The court basically said that al-Awlaki didn't want to be a constitutionality test case based on his own statements, and that since the suit ran counter to his wishes -- the applicants lacked "Next Friend" standing to sue on his behalf.

      Full Disclosure: I am an unpaid shill for every paranoid delusion that lurks under your bed - but more than willing to cash any checks sent my way

      by zonk on Thu Oct 06, 2011 at 11:52:03 AM PDT

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