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  •  Yes! and yes! (6+ / 0-)

    As for "why these people they don't know are doing them harm," think of tapeworms and other parasites.  They don't "want" to make you sick, they just "want" all the nutrients that go through your guts, and they "want" to grow and reproduce regardless of what happens to you in the process.

    To them, you are FOOD.  

    And any source of potential wealth and power that can be harvested is FOOD.  

    Or in simpler terms, the guy who robs you on the street doesn't know you and could care less about you: all he wants is your money.  

    Same thing.  

    And the religious strategy should be to point out that these people - ALEC and the rest - are, at root, Mammon worshipers whose only desire is for worldly wealth and power in unlimited quantity.  The "gays and women" stuff is just a diversion being used to manipulate religious conservatives into "chasing squirrels" rather than putting the bite on those who hold their leashes.  

    Once they realize that and truly get it, they will turn 180 degrees with a fury that will have to be seen to be believed.

    "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

    by G2geek on Sat Oct 08, 2011 at 05:54:22 PM PDT

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    •  Food? "To Serve Man" ;-) n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Yes, exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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        Someone needs to do a remake of that short film, sticking as close to the original material as possible, but changing it just enough to make the point.  

        There is probably a way to do this within copyright law, for example "satire" is 100% protected speech.  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sat Oct 08, 2011 at 08:28:53 PM PDT

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    •  Re:religion, won't ALEC 'appeal' to the Calvinists (5+ / 0-)
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      and the Dominionists types. The fundamentalists hold the belief 'if someone is poor, sick, disabled, or other life hardship a person may undergo or can't control, it is their fault, they have sinned and God is punishing them, they are responsible for bringing upon themselves. The true believers wouldn't 'stand in the way' of something they consider to be 'Divine retribution', and thus would not feel obligated to support the 'least of us' in any way.

      The other side of the coin is, anyone who has reached even a modicum of success, is truly blessed, and is one of Gods 'Chosen People'. It doesn't matter how reprehensible they are there are no repercussions- they can act with a clear conscience. That is a sense of entitlement.

      The Randbots', to the fundies, are probably seen as the 'lesser evil'-and are accepted, seen as people who can be saved if 'we just pray for them'. All along the poor or working class fundies just see themselves as 'temporarily embarrassed millionaires', and will go along w/the program. Their ideologies are too similar for one group to disaffect another. Psychologically they can't allow themselves to see a problem w/this, it would be disastrous. Major denial.

      Sorry about the length, I hope it wasn't too incomprehensible.The religious angle is fascinating, and have been doing some reading up to try and gain some insight on this, and why/how those two groups haven't come to blows over this one, maybe I misunderstand.

      •  you're quite right about that. (3+ / 0-)
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        The self-justification of wealth and power, and the deliberate cruelty toward the poor and powerless: truly vicious, immoral, downright evil, and unfortunately becoming pervasive.

        I think the root of this is as a rationalization for competition for resources in an overpopulated world that has overshot its ecological limits.  

        In which case we have only just seen the beginning of something that could in the end become truly Hitlerian.  

        "Minus one vote for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sun Oct 09, 2011 at 01:32:53 AM PDT

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        •  If we could get more people to understand this- (1+ / 0-)
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          stuff -without being looked @ like a ct ?..Why the 'polite' pressure to not use the 'F' word, just use the term  corporatism-it has the same meaning. No, corporatism does not produce the same gut level reaction, impact and sense of urgency that is inherent in the word 'fascism'.

          We should be able to call it what it truly is,fascism and not be dismissed 'out of hand' when we do. Instead, we have to just hint and hope people understand the severity of what we are facing, and the looming dystopia ahead-that is if people will pay attention to this in the first place.

          I understand the manipulation of our language has become a cash cow for certain groups.. Frank Luntz etc....I'm hoping we can regain the ability to 'call a spade a spade', when it's appropriate, Godwin not withstanding.

          Thanks for keeping this ALEC issue front and center.

          •  For some reason American's simply hate it (1+ / 0-)
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            when one uses the term "fascism" to describe what is going on with our politics, government and corporate control.  They understand what fascism is, but wish to remain in denial that such a thing could happen here in the U.S....that's something they believe happens elsewhere but not here "at home."

            The word has a meaning that makes people shudder, knowing how fascism has turned out in every instance in the past.  People understand that in order to defeat such an agenda real work and much effort is required - and Americans for the most part are so pressed by the current lack of work, finances, food, housing and healthcare, that they can't imagine how they could possibly find time to take on defending democracy on top of everything else.

            Many of us are tired of being "politically correct" and have begun calling it what it is.  I began using corporatocracy last year because as soon as fascism is used, the conversation concludes, with listeners and readers alike refusing to discuss "that" with someone who is obviously a conspiracy theorist.  No matter how you phrase the conversation or how accurate your description of the evidence, others are put off by the single word "fascism."  For some reason Americans today would fight a lot of things - if they're called something else.  They refuse to believe we still have a racial problem - yet they will accept we have an "equality" disparity...when I bring up prisoners or inmates in a discussion, I see the same film come over the eyes of most I'm speaking with.  This is another topic nobody wants to consider, discuss or address.

            I agree that today we have come to the point where most have to not only be awakened to what is happening to them and democracy - they have to be shaken out of their reverie like children day dreaming.  Strong and specific terminology and  language is what is needed to break the spell invoked by ALEC and their Koch cabal.  Maybe when enough call it what it is, others will begin to understand how serious our plight is.

            "Inmates should be reformed - not recycled"

            by Bob Sloan on Sun Oct 09, 2011 at 07:38:01 PM PDT

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